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Going into the fossil fuel vs wood thing Isaac Send a noteboard - 29/09/2011 08:51:07 PM
Since I think that was more your emphasis, as mentioned in the earlier post Joel and I beat this horse to death about a month ago but the key point wasn't how likely fossil fuels are to form but rather that fossil fuels aren't actually even vaguely necessary for tech, just advantageous. Cars can be and have been designed to run on wood, power generation can be done on wood, coal is just handy but a steam engine doesn't really give a snot what you feed in it. Lacking fossil fuels though you must devote a large portion of your arable land to growing them... and a quick reminder that 'ethanol' is not high-tech, we've been making and burning booze for a long while, but trees or crops for ethanol, you can make fuels that are basically as good as fossils fuels for tech purposes, the difference is that where we can grow lots of crops on land without using much for fuel and indeed supplementing growth by using that fuel, mining it from infertile land like mountains instead, if you are using primitive renewable energy like wood or booze you have to devote a larger portion of your pop to tending that fuel supply and have less food for your pop. Now, in terms of tech development, I really doubt it would be a big hurdle, scientists and engineers do not make up a large portion of our society that isn't directly engaged in agriculture, mining, manufacturing, etc. nor has a lot of the tech advances been done with full cooperation, but rather often inside strictly isolated gov't or corporate research where its frowned on to send your research over to the guys who get their paychecks from elsewhere. They might go slower, but what's a few centuries compared to millions of years of evolution? and the need to use renewable energy the whole time as your growth control factor would likely cause the field to advance quite rapidly.

That's all assuming no fossil fuels to boost one up, and the natur eof fossil fuels means they will probably tend to accumalate on most worlds with advanced life, though I suppose a more tectonically active world might see the pockets they accumulate in rupture and spill out too frequently to really accumulate. All the variables tend to have possible negative and positive options though. Windier worlds, easily imaginable, could tap windmills for electricity easily, but would probably have way more erosion and say, be nothing but shallow ocean with new mountains eroding too quickly for dry land to ever really exist long enough for life to form, especially if they were not tectonically active, no big moon for instance, and so on.
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An interesting thought I had that may be worth discussion. - 29/09/2011 07:22:01 PM 744 Views
Well, Fermi Paradox discussions usually end with ???? - 29/09/2011 07:51:59 PM 423 Views
you do have to hope there's intelligent life somewhere out there - 29/09/2011 07:56:48 PM 480 Views
I definitely agree with the first part. - 29/09/2011 08:32:33 PM 575 Views
why do you think only those options would be available? - 29/09/2011 08:35:53 PM 428 Views
Could be cultural domination. - 29/09/2011 09:32:18 PM 443 Views
*shrug* Humans aren't that bad - 29/09/2011 09:51:32 PM 413 Views
Oh yes we are. - 29/09/2011 10:27:52 PM 434 Views
Unless their advancement is so great they are VERY ethically enlightened, her fears seem valid. - 30/09/2011 03:04:40 AM 490 Views
hmmm - 30/09/2011 02:34:47 PM 424 Views
"And hey. I'll eat most anything once." - 30/09/2011 07:22:01 PM 402 Views
I think I've met a few aliens... - 30/09/2011 01:31:55 AM 434 Views
Why do fossil fuels have to be involved? - 29/09/2011 08:33:26 PM 406 Views
Going into the fossil fuel vs wood thing - 29/09/2011 08:51:07 PM 503 Views
The big issue is energy density, IMHO. - 30/09/2011 02:53:39 AM 512 Views
That's so perfect. - 30/09/2011 06:43:31 AM 453 Views
We really have no idea how rare advance technologies societies are - 30/09/2011 02:00:56 PM 553 Views
That's a really good point. - 30/09/2011 04:34:28 PM 467 Views
The doomsdays options don't really hold up well though - 30/09/2011 05:22:57 PM 479 Views
I think we have different interpretations of "silence" - 30/09/2011 07:47:32 PM 580 Views
It kind of comes down to whether FTL is possible - 30/09/2011 09:12:32 PM 546 Views
hmmm - 30/09/2011 07:51:42 PM 338 Views
Yeah but that's just a variant of "Highly advanced aliens who for some reason are totally stupid" - 30/09/2011 10:21:34 PM 558 Views
I didn't mean to imply that were not talking to us because they looked down on us - 01/10/2011 01:07:02 AM 504 Views
Re: I didn't mean to imply that were not talking to us because they looked down on us - 01/10/2011 02:50:42 AM 501 Views
thanks for the detailed answer - 01/10/2011 03:08:48 PM 489 Views
No prob, hopefully it's not all inaccurate nonsense - 01/10/2011 03:18:05 PM 527 Views
not to mention that the universe is HUGE - 30/09/2011 07:53:33 PM 415 Views
True - 30/09/2011 10:37:58 PM 380 Views
of course I can't say, that was my point - 30/09/2011 07:42:55 PM 429 Views
I was totally agreeing with you until I wasn't. - 30/09/2011 08:09:08 PM 562 Views
That's pessimistic, though. The "blaze of glory" is ongoing. - 01/10/2011 04:25:28 AM 407 Views
another thing for consideration - 01/10/2011 11:55:12 AM 413 Views

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