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Bullshit Cannoli Send a noteboard - 25/09/2011 03:53:05 AM

Fear of Hell can excuse no one from it; only love from and for God can.
Who says? Where do you get this crap from? Some preacher-of-the-week who's winging it as he goes? Imperfect contrition, while inferior, can be sufficient for salvation.

I forget which Pithy Pet Phrase that is, but I stand by it. That remains my biggest problem with fire and brimstone theology: It encourages hollow "repentance" based on self preservation rather than reverence and devotion to God.

Potayto, potahto. If perfect contrition was truly required, Heaven would be as empty as Dannymac's arguments.

As James said, "You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!" Christianity is not a "get out of Hell free card," and treating it as such is horribly dangerous.
And I did not remotely argue that it was.
It may surprise you to hear, but I accept those practical arguments, in principle; my solution would be to bring back things like Alcatraz and Devils Island. The Rock (and syphilis) broke Capone, and no successful escape has ever been confirmed; the only possible candidate is three guys who made it beyond the wall and, if they also made it through 20 miles of frigid shark infested water, were never seen or heard from again,
What about the two unusually large women who showed up at the funeral for the mother of two of those disappeared convicts, who stayed a considerable distance from anyone else at the service and whom no one could recognize?
despite being such incorrigible criminals that they wound up at Alcatraz. Send the most violent repeat offenders to some inescapable island to live by the jungle law for which they rejected the laws of God and man, periodically airlifting them food and water, if necessary. Many would still die, but their blood would be on each others hands, not yours or mine, and the potential to free wrongfully connected prisoners would remain in most cases (though restricting such sentences to the worst repeat offenders would reasonably ensure inmates were violent criminals even if their most RECENT conviction were erroneous.)
The blood is on no one's hands when criminals are put to death by the law. And one murder should be more than sufficient to warrant execution. Solutions such as yours are moral cowardice.

What such a practice would not do is continue the execution of people later discovered to be innocent with no recourse to correcting that injustice. I fail to see why killing an innocent is so great an evil in an individual that it merits death but an inevitable acceptable VIRTUE in a state.
No one is executed for an accidental murder, they are executed for the wanton or willful crimes. The execution of innocent men by the state is only after a rigorous system for trying their guilt has been applied. Such deaths are hardly comparable to the sorts of criminal behavior that warrant execution, and even if by some absurd chance the innocent slip through the cracks, that is simple human nature. To demand perfection of any human institution is absurd. I MIGHT consider these attitudes even slightly morally justifiable if the people who expressed them were not usually the exact same ones unwilling to accept the same fallibility of human investigative processes and demanding that we accept as an absolute given that there are no signs of human life at X point in a pregnancy or that global warming & human evolution are proven and indisputable facts. On THOSE, liberals are perfectly willing to plunge ahead, confident that the proof will catch up to them, but there is never sufficient proof that a shady sketchy character has committed murder, even with over 30 eyewitnesses to his guilt, like Troy Davis.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
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i'm proud to live in a country where you can be executed based on circumstantial evidence... - 22/09/2011 04:06:07 PM 1391 Views
Yeah it's pretty damn disgusting and frustrating... - 22/09/2011 04:08:05 PM 700 Views
Well - 22/09/2011 06:57:37 PM 742 Views
And yet the Supreme Court didn't stop it. You're a lawyer right? - 22/09/2011 04:19:05 PM 762 Views
Well, that right there was an ignorant thing to say. - 22/09/2011 04:32:49 PM 819 Views
But they get all the media attention - 22/09/2011 04:45:03 PM 708 Views
Er. - 22/09/2011 05:09:44 PM 712 Views
What about the t-shirts? *NM* - 22/09/2011 05:47:49 PM 292 Views
Heh... you should perhaps Google 'The West Memphis 3' - 22/09/2011 05:29:06 PM 783 Views
And this is a typically illogical argument. - 22/09/2011 11:11:48 PM 744 Views
You're kidding, right? - 23/09/2011 02:55:44 PM 693 Views
Re: You're kidding, right? - 23/09/2011 07:36:38 PM 707 Views
Juror bias. *NM* - 23/09/2011 08:35:10 PM 277 Views
the jury was majority black *NM* - 23/09/2011 09:03:48 PM 293 Views
In this instance, yes. *NM* - 23/09/2011 09:30:10 PM 251 Views
Your evidence for that? *NM* - 23/09/2011 11:33:58 PM 286 Views
Twenty-one years of life in the American South. - 24/09/2011 12:40:10 AM 669 Views
Of course I'm interested - 24/09/2011 04:03:51 AM 600 Views
From me being too involved with the subject material. I apologize. - 24/09/2011 11:16:06 AM 582 Views
No worries - 24/09/2011 07:10:40 PM 559 Views
While I largely agree with your argument, I agree more with Cannoli on the NAACP. - 23/09/2011 07:46:06 PM 645 Views
Wow - 23/09/2011 07:50:06 PM 550 Views
It happens. - 25/09/2011 03:09:00 PM 608 Views
yes the "you born white what more do you want" argument *NM* - 23/09/2011 09:03:04 PM 279 Views
From what I've read it is pretty disturbing - 22/09/2011 04:27:44 PM 778 Views
Huh. - 22/09/2011 04:47:20 PM 775 Views
That jumped out at me too. - 22/09/2011 04:50:52 PM 695 Views
What really confuses me - 22/09/2011 04:58:32 PM 652 Views
Well... - 22/09/2011 05:18:54 PM 804 Views
So if I understand you correctly... - 22/09/2011 05:23:00 PM 743 Views
almost - 22/09/2011 08:25:06 PM 636 Views
Re: Well... - 22/09/2011 05:29:03 PM 699 Views
I know one reason is that - 22/09/2011 08:27:41 PM 705 Views
it is only confusing because the evidence isn't really that shaky - 22/09/2011 08:54:21 PM 677 Views
you are innocent until proven guilty - 22/09/2011 05:34:57 PM 719 Views
You must change your perspective..... - 22/09/2011 07:33:20 PM 704 Views
Well said *NM* - 22/09/2011 08:49:56 PM 307 Views
If I understand the Supreme Court correctly, the reason they denied the stay of execution was - 22/09/2011 08:25:14 PM 728 Views
On its face, that is a good reason. - 22/09/2011 10:07:44 PM 751 Views
I completely support the Death Penalty without question..... - 22/09/2011 08:27:54 PM 631 Views
Unreasonable doubt is impossible to eliminate. - 22/09/2011 09:54:43 PM 709 Views
Doubt can be eliminated.....any question about Dalmer? - 23/09/2011 01:00:52 PM 682 Views
Maybe he was framed by an enemy, government conspiracy or aliens. - 23/09/2011 01:54:21 PM 651 Views
Jigga what? *NM* - 23/09/2011 03:36:07 PM 314 Views
Circumstantial evidence is not, I believe, a bar to conviction. - 22/09/2011 09:43:56 PM 596 Views
Regarding the salvation thing, that is an argument FOR the death penalty, in my mind. - 22/09/2011 11:37:16 PM 661 Views
That motive is seflish and thus fatal. - 23/09/2011 01:17:00 AM 613 Views
Bullshit - 25/09/2011 03:53:05 AM 840 Views
Thank God you're not an evangelist. - 23/09/2011 02:59:06 PM 632 Views
And I pity the souls you have ministered to. They're in for a rude shock at their judgement - 25/09/2011 04:01:05 AM 662 Views
lol roman catholicism *NM* - 25/09/2011 04:39:55 AM 262 Views
You really don't understand irony, do you? Particularly as it applies to your post about this case. - 22/09/2011 11:26:49 PM 725 Views
. - 23/09/2011 08:21:38 AM 666 Views
I kind of agree. - 24/09/2011 12:05:27 AM 678 Views

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