He was executed after exhausting more avenues than most get (because he happened to black. God forbid we execute a black criminal). If in all those appeals he was still executed, what does that say?
Currently 44% of all death row inmates are black, and 440 black inmates have been executed since 1976, approx. 35% of ALL executions in that time. Given that blacks make up roughly 12% of the population, I think it is clear that we, as a nation, have absolutely NO problem with executing a black man.
That does not answer either the facts nor the statement to which you are responding. He never said that a black man was less likely to be executed, but that they had more avenues open to challenge their convictions. For instance, the linked article cites the NAACP's support. How many white men get their aid? If there were an equivalent group geared to securing justice or assisting white people, their support would do more harm than good, because being officially pro-white is all but illegal in this country.
Your blather about the percentage of death row inmates & executions being black does not prove the prior poster's ignorance, only your possession of the facts. As those facts do not refute his arguments, you have no way of proving that he did not know them. And while you may not be ignorant on this single issue, you are certainly not making a logical or rational point. What proportion of murders are committed by blacks? What proportion of black murderers are executed and how does that compare to the proportion of white murderers executed? All you do is give injustices. For the proportion of blacks on death row to match the proportion of blacks in the population, all other circumstances would have to be equal before you assume racism. As a counter example, blacks consist of a great deal more than 12% of NFL & NBA players. Are those organizations racist against whites? People were calling the NFL teams racist at a time when of 32 teams, 6 (18.8% ) had black head coaches. That is half again greater than the total population percentage, so why were people complaining?
In fact, given you liberals' propensity for asserting absent any proof both that crime is caused by poverty, and that blacks lack equal economic opportunities in this country, the percentage of convicts who are black SHOULD be higher than the proportion in the population! If only 12% of death row inmates were black and only 12% of convicted offenders were black, your argument about poverty causing crime (and justification for affirmative action and any number of War on Poverty and Equal Opportunity programs and funding) goes right out the window.
There was no physical evidence. 7 of 9 eyewitness recanted. And yet no one stopped the proceedings. Yes, I think that DOES tell us something about our justice system. And its not a good thing to be told.
What do you think we used to convict murderers before we hand forensic laboratories? The jurors, when they had no media exposure or badgering from anti-death penalty groups or pro-black groups, and were presented only with the evidence allowable in court, found him guilty, despite rules that are stacked overwhelmingly in favor of the defendant. They were found guilty in court, and multiple courts found the proceedings to have been properly conducted and lawful, and the standards of guilt and so forth properly met. Any number of things can account for jurors and witnesses changing their testimony after the fact and their memories changing decades later. In a court of law, with the rules of procedure stacked in his favor, the defense failed to cast reasonable doubt on the prosecution's case. THAT is the important thing, not unsupported anecdotes and assertions by the defense lawyers.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
i'm proud to live in a country where you can be executed based on circumstantial evidence...
22/09/2011 04:06:07 PM
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And yet the Supreme Court didn't stop it. You're a lawyer right?
22/09/2011 04:19:05 PM
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Well, that right there was an ignorant thing to say.
22/09/2011 04:32:49 PM
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But they get all the media attention
22/09/2011 04:45:03 PM
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Cameron Todd Willingham is white, and his story is a national one since Perry is running for Pres
23/09/2011 03:41:52 PM
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those numbers are less schocking when you consider that blacks commet a lot more murders *NM*
22/09/2011 05:43:51 PM
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And this is a typically illogical argument.
22/09/2011 11:11:48 PM
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You're kidding, right?
23/09/2011 02:55:44 PM
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Re: You're kidding, right?
23/09/2011 07:36:38 PM
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Juror bias. *NM*
23/09/2011 08:35:10 PM
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Your evidence for that? *NM*
23/09/2011 11:33:58 PM
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Twenty-one years of life in the American South.
24/09/2011 12:40:10 AM
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Of course I'm interested
24/09/2011 04:03:51 AM
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From me being too involved with the subject material. I apologize.
24/09/2011 11:16:06 AM
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While I largely agree with your argument, I agree more with Cannoli on the NAACP.
23/09/2011 07:46:06 PM
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Huh.
22/09/2011 04:47:20 PM
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That jumped out at me too.
22/09/2011 04:50:52 PM
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What really confuses me
22/09/2011 04:58:32 PM
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That's a good question and I really wish it would be addressed.
22/09/2011 05:05:40 PM
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Re: That's a good question and I really wish it would be addressed.
22/09/2011 05:21:59 PM
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If the original trial is shown to be flawed that's supposed to require a new trial.
22/09/2011 08:25:51 PM
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Well...
22/09/2011 05:18:54 PM
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So if I understand you correctly...
22/09/2011 05:23:00 PM
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Yes, that is correct. And proving witness coercion is likely to be difficult if not impossible. *NM*
22/09/2011 05:30:37 PM
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it is only confusing because the evidence isn't really that shaky
22/09/2011 08:54:21 PM
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If I understand the Supreme Court correctly, the reason they denied the stay of execution was
22/09/2011 08:25:14 PM
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I completely support the Death Penalty without question.....
22/09/2011 08:27:54 PM
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Unreasonable doubt is impossible to eliminate.
22/09/2011 09:54:43 PM
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Doubt can be eliminated.....any question about Dalmer?
23/09/2011 01:00:52 PM
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Maybe he was framed by an enemy, government conspiracy or aliens.
23/09/2011 01:54:21 PM
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Jigga what? *NM*
23/09/2011 03:36:07 PM
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"I do not know if I was then a man dreaming I was a butterfly or am now a butterfly..."
23/09/2011 06:50:34 PM
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Circumstantial evidence is not, I believe, a bar to conviction.
22/09/2011 09:43:56 PM
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Regarding the salvation thing, that is an argument FOR the death penalty, in my mind.
22/09/2011 11:37:16 PM
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That motive is seflish and thus fatal.
23/09/2011 01:17:00 AM
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Bullshit
25/09/2011 03:53:05 AM
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Where do YOU get the idea that imperfect contrition is good enough?
25/09/2011 02:29:18 PM
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Thank God you're not an evangelist.
23/09/2011 02:59:06 PM
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And I pity the souls you have ministered to. They're in for a rude shock at their judgement
25/09/2011 04:01:05 AM
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lol roman catholicism *NM*
25/09/2011 04:39:55 AM
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Not just Roman Catholics, y'know, everyone who thinks God was not BSing about judgement.
25/09/2011 09:47:12 PM
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lol hellfire and brimstone *NM*
26/09/2011 12:12:28 AM
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I suppose in a consequences free world everything is a source of amusement.
26/09/2011 12:33:14 AM
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You really don't understand irony, do you? Particularly as it applies to your post about this case.
22/09/2011 11:26:49 PM
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23/09/2011 08:21:38 AM
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A list of anecdotal wrongs does not prove anything. If convictions can be wrong, so can exonerations *NM*
25/09/2011 04:03:26 AM
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sorry if i don't have time to link to every thing i've read on the subject
23/09/2011 02:54:50 PM
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Well I would think you would have picked an article that offers some iota of proof of his innocence.
25/09/2011 04:14:45 AM
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Well, I wouldn't call eyewitness accounts circumstancial evidence.
23/09/2011 11:45:48 PM
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Nor would I, but I've heard that lawyers say, "an eye witness is the worst witness you can have."
25/09/2011 03:23:53 PM
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