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Circumstantial evidence is not, I believe, a bar to conviction. Joel Send a noteboard - 22/09/2011 09:43:56 PM
whether or not Troy Davis was guilty, the fact that someone can be executed with ZERO physical evidence tying them to the crime is beyond the pale. it has long been established that eyewitness accounts are not 100% reliable as evidence, but yet not only did a jury decide that the eyewitness accounts were enough to convict, they handed down a death sentence as well. then when 7 of 9 eyewitnesses recanted their testimony, it still wasn't enough to prevent the execution.

zero physical evidence, 7 of 9 eyewitnesses coming forward to say they were either wrong or coerced by police to give misleading testimony and yet we still put the convicted man to death for it. yay.... :[

It usually has to be overwhelming though, and with the witnesses recanting, some of them even saying the cops pushed them into their testimony, that does not sound like the case here.

The larger issues though, are that

1) Even with someone else claiming to have murdered the victim, it will NEVER be investigated now because cops and prosecutors got their man. That means that if both he and the executed man are telling the truth a murderer will remain unhindered and unsuspected amid society until he commits ANOTHER such crime and

2) Even if overwhelming, incontrovertible proof comes to light that Davis was innocent and someone else guilty comes, this can never be undone. There is no way to compensate him for the loss of his life or his family for the loss of their loved one and

3) If he can be executed on the basis of such dubious evidence, anyone can, raising the question of whether the death penalty can be much of a "deterrent" when people can easily be subjected to it whether they commit any crime or not. Even the most serious penalty deters no one from anything when they face it whatever they do, and a lot of folks will just figure "if you must do the time, you might as well do the crime."

I am a big fan of life without parole, consecutive sentences etc. That Sirhan Sirhan and Manson are eligibly for parole, even if they will never get it, is a travesty and frankly disturbing, and I do NOT like knowing that it is largely up to the shrinks whether Anders Breivik will be on the street before he turns 50. I am also dubious of releasing someone early for "good behavior" when they were only there because they first behaved BADLY enough to shoot up Burger King over a sandwich with onions. None of that makes something as irrevocable as capital punishment a good idea, especially when it is so often imposed in such questionable circumstances. I am also appalled by prematurely foreclosing the opportunity for repentance and salvation that I consider so priceless; I recognize that many people do not find that compelling, but would not want to answer for it personally. I hope GA got the right man, but God only knows; anyone else is only guessing.
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i'm proud to live in a country where you can be executed based on circumstantial evidence... - 22/09/2011 04:06:07 PM 1391 Views
Yeah it's pretty damn disgusting and frustrating... - 22/09/2011 04:08:05 PM 699 Views
Well - 22/09/2011 06:57:37 PM 740 Views
And yet the Supreme Court didn't stop it. You're a lawyer right? - 22/09/2011 04:19:05 PM 762 Views
Well, that right there was an ignorant thing to say. - 22/09/2011 04:32:49 PM 817 Views
But they get all the media attention - 22/09/2011 04:45:03 PM 707 Views
Er. - 22/09/2011 05:09:44 PM 711 Views
What about the t-shirts? *NM* - 22/09/2011 05:47:49 PM 292 Views
Heh... you should perhaps Google 'The West Memphis 3' - 22/09/2011 05:29:06 PM 783 Views
And this is a typically illogical argument. - 22/09/2011 11:11:48 PM 744 Views
You're kidding, right? - 23/09/2011 02:55:44 PM 693 Views
Re: You're kidding, right? - 23/09/2011 07:36:38 PM 707 Views
Juror bias. *NM* - 23/09/2011 08:35:10 PM 277 Views
the jury was majority black *NM* - 23/09/2011 09:03:48 PM 293 Views
In this instance, yes. *NM* - 23/09/2011 09:30:10 PM 251 Views
Your evidence for that? *NM* - 23/09/2011 11:33:58 PM 286 Views
Twenty-one years of life in the American South. - 24/09/2011 12:40:10 AM 668 Views
Of course I'm interested - 24/09/2011 04:03:51 AM 598 Views
From me being too involved with the subject material. I apologize. - 24/09/2011 11:16:06 AM 581 Views
No worries - 24/09/2011 07:10:40 PM 558 Views
While I largely agree with your argument, I agree more with Cannoli on the NAACP. - 23/09/2011 07:46:06 PM 645 Views
Wow - 23/09/2011 07:50:06 PM 548 Views
It happens. - 25/09/2011 03:09:00 PM 606 Views
yes the "you born white what more do you want" argument *NM* - 23/09/2011 09:03:04 PM 279 Views
From what I've read it is pretty disturbing - 22/09/2011 04:27:44 PM 778 Views
Huh. - 22/09/2011 04:47:20 PM 775 Views
That jumped out at me too. - 22/09/2011 04:50:52 PM 694 Views
What really confuses me - 22/09/2011 04:58:32 PM 652 Views
Well... - 22/09/2011 05:18:54 PM 804 Views
So if I understand you correctly... - 22/09/2011 05:23:00 PM 742 Views
almost - 22/09/2011 08:25:06 PM 635 Views
Re: Well... - 22/09/2011 05:29:03 PM 698 Views
I know one reason is that - 22/09/2011 08:27:41 PM 703 Views
it is only confusing because the evidence isn't really that shaky - 22/09/2011 08:54:21 PM 676 Views
you are innocent until proven guilty - 22/09/2011 05:34:57 PM 719 Views
You must change your perspective..... - 22/09/2011 07:33:20 PM 704 Views
Well said *NM* - 22/09/2011 08:49:56 PM 307 Views
If I understand the Supreme Court correctly, the reason they denied the stay of execution was - 22/09/2011 08:25:14 PM 727 Views
On its face, that is a good reason. - 22/09/2011 10:07:44 PM 751 Views
I completely support the Death Penalty without question..... - 22/09/2011 08:27:54 PM 631 Views
Unreasonable doubt is impossible to eliminate. - 22/09/2011 09:54:43 PM 707 Views
Doubt can be eliminated.....any question about Dalmer? - 23/09/2011 01:00:52 PM 682 Views
Maybe he was framed by an enemy, government conspiracy or aliens. - 23/09/2011 01:54:21 PM 649 Views
Jigga what? *NM* - 23/09/2011 03:36:07 PM 314 Views
Circumstantial evidence is not, I believe, a bar to conviction. - 22/09/2011 09:43:56 PM 595 Views
Regarding the salvation thing, that is an argument FOR the death penalty, in my mind. - 22/09/2011 11:37:16 PM 659 Views
That motive is seflish and thus fatal. - 23/09/2011 01:17:00 AM 613 Views
Bullshit - 25/09/2011 03:53:05 AM 839 Views
Thank God you're not an evangelist. - 23/09/2011 02:59:06 PM 631 Views
And I pity the souls you have ministered to. They're in for a rude shock at their judgement - 25/09/2011 04:01:05 AM 662 Views
lol roman catholicism *NM* - 25/09/2011 04:39:55 AM 262 Views
You really don't understand irony, do you? Particularly as it applies to your post about this case. - 22/09/2011 11:26:49 PM 723 Views
. - 23/09/2011 08:21:38 AM 666 Views
I kind of agree. - 24/09/2011 12:05:27 AM 678 Views

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