Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone
Isaac Send a noteboard - 21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM
The real problem seems to be that people can't apply any knowledge to the world. Children learn biology but still believe in Creationism. They learn physics but they still believe outlandish 9/11 theories. The failure is the logical application of their knowledge.
The creationist I know don't dispute the science much, just handwave that Supreme Being's can do such things, which of course they could if they were of a mind to and poke a soft spots - or what they think are soft spots - in bio or physics. They are typically neither Luddites nor anti-science and mostly take the view that just because the pond in someone's backyard could form naturally it doesn't mean someone didn't landscape it in there with a backhoe and make an effort to make it look natural. I don't agree but it's a logical valid argument if one starts with an Almighty and Hands-on Creator. As for the 9/11 sorts, it's not like even senior undergrads in architecture, engineering, or physics get courses on how to model and identify reasons for falling skyscrapers. Science has jack to do with why most of us dismiss those theories, except maybe psychology, since our reason is all the same, that it would take an absurdly elaborate and wide conspiracy to hide a bomb and if you were going to use a bomb you might as well just openly use a bomb and claim terrorists did it. That's not science, just logic and common sense using the premise that it would take a extremely large and loyal and clever group to pull that off and that they'd presumably be smart enough to just rent/steal a truck that pointed at a known terrorist and skip the needlessly complex plane ramming, or all the other convoluted stuff in the various other theories. No science involved for that for Average Joe.
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This message last edited by Isaac on 21/09/2011 at 11:29:58 PM
We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools.
20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM
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Logic classes would be good in schools.
20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM
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Ugh.
20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM
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Re: Ugh.
21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM
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Something tells me that no matter who answered your questions you wouldn't believe anyway.
21/09/2011 02:16:52 AM
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this is a controlled demolition
21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM
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I've seen controlled demolitions in person. They happen in the opposite order of the WTC collapses.
21/09/2011 03:54:35 AM
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Agreed
20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM
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I've long advocated this for the reasons Tom states as well as others.
21/09/2011 06:49:28 AM
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I don't know if the Internet is degrading skills, or just giving stupid people a voice
20/09/2011 02:33:24 PM
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There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed
20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM
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No, there is not.
20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM
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Well, the circumstances were odd at least
20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM
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As far as conspiracies go ...
20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM
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what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid?
20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM
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I'm not sure you got my gist.
20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM
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I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11
20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM
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Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence.
20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM
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Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed
20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM
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But that's what I DID argue.
20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM
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sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms
21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM
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I've always seen them as separate.
21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM
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And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member.
21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM
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I'm still annoyed.
21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM
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I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate
21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM
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and I pointed that it was was just continuin gthe Clinton policy
21/09/2011 02:30:13 PM
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Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank.
21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM
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In addition:
20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM
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Contemplate this....
20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM
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You just did not go Star Trek on me
20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM
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You should watch the pilot episode of the X-Files spin-off series The Lone Gunmen.
20/09/2011 08:19:15 PM
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Make 'em all take debate.
20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM
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Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools.
21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM
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Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...?
21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM
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Not actually the best example
21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM
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what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building?
21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM
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The fireproofing was scraped off the steel by the crash, so the beams melted.
21/09/2011 07:35:08 PM
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Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...?
21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM
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You would force Euler on to the masses?
21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM
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You could still argue.
21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM
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I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person
21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM
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Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math.
21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM
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Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid.
21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM
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I really and truly appreciate your love of pure math for math's sake, but...
21/09/2011 11:10:03 PM
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Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone
21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM
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