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I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate random thoughts Send a noteboard - 21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM
It is old territory and no one wins. Bush had a lot of neocons on his staff that is true. Those neocons supported Clinton's regiume change policy and pushed for him to be more aggressive that is also true. They trended to be supporters of Israel and Hussein was paying rewards to the families of suicide bombers in Palestine so they didn't really like him. There were some who wanted to attack Iraq for the gross violations of the armistice agreement and for kicking out inspectors. That is also true. That there was a burning desire in the Bush administration to attack Iraq is a conspiracy theory BS backed more by emotion that facts.

Lets be honest there is very little chance of me convincing you there was not some plot to attack Iraq.
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1328 Views
Logic classes would be good in schools. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 877 Views
Ugh. Ghavrel - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 902 Views
Re: Ugh. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 832 Views
Something tells me that no matter who answered your questions you wouldn't believe anyway. everynametaken - 21/09/2011 02:16:52 AM 833 Views
this is a controlled demolition Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 948 Views
That is an incredibly stupid argument. Tom - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 882 Views
I've seen controlled demolitions in person. They happen in the opposite order of the WTC collapses. Ghavrel - 21/09/2011 03:54:35 AM 906 Views
Asking questions is never wrong. ironclad - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 780 Views
Re: Asking questions is never wrong. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 947 Views
Agreed Camilla - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 837 Views
I've long advocated this for the reasons Tom states as well as others. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:49:28 AM 778 Views
I don't know if the Internet is degrading skills, or just giving stupid people a voice beetnemesis - 20/09/2011 02:33:24 PM 910 Views
There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 890 Views
No, there is not. Tom - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 979 Views
Well, the circumstances were odd at least Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 859 Views
As far as conspiracies go ... Nate - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 954 Views
what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 772 Views
I'm not sure you got my gist. Nate - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 813 Views
I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 836 Views
Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. Nate - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 892 Views
Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 876 Views
But that's what I DID argue. Nate - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 857 Views
sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 884 Views
I've always seen them as separate. Nate - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 724 Views
and that is why I decided to drop it random thoughts - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 875 Views
Heh. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 825 Views
And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 931 Views
I'm still annoyed. Nate - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 764 Views
I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM 768 Views
Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 794 Views
and I pointed that it was was just continuin gthe Clinton policy random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:30:13 PM 854 Views
Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM 878 Views
In addition: Nate - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 957 Views
sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 907 Views
This is very frustrating. Nate - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 854 Views
For the war on terror? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 892 Views
And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 837 Views
That contradicts the evidence. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 861 Views
Excuse me? Macharius - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 934 Views
Huh? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 909 Views
the problem with any other theory is the make no sense random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 831 Views
Contemplate this.... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 853 Views
You just did not go Star Trek on me Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 871 Views
And how did you know... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 950 Views
Re: And how did you know... Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 935 Views
You should watch the pilot episode of the X-Files spin-off series The Lone Gunmen. TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 08:19:15 PM 903 Views
humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 796 Views
Won't help Praziquantel - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 864 Views
Make 'em all take debate. nossy - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 829 Views
Would madam like a cane? Elaine - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 948 Views
Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 395 Views
Do you think it would help? aerocontrols - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 824 Views
Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 841 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Tom - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 845 Views
Not actually the best example Isaac - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 819 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? random thoughts - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 856 Views
Wouldn't make much difference Isaac - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 835 Views
OK thanks *NM* random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 436 Views
The fireproofing was scraped off the steel by the crash, so the beams melted. Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:35:08 PM 1041 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 875 Views
But how else would they fall down? Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 734 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 900 Views
You could still argue. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 767 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 798 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 863 Views
Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 781 Views
I love geometry proofs. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 920 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* LaSombra - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 427 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 797 Views
+1 *NM* Isaac - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 369 Views
Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. jh - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 1040 Views
Ha. Ha. Vivien - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 843 Views
As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. Tom - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 1011 Views
I really and truly appreciate your love of pure math for math's sake, but... Tom - 21/09/2011 11:10:03 PM 812 Views
Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone Isaac - 21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM 844 Views
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