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I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate random thoughts Send a noteboard - 21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM
It is old territory and no one wins. Bush had a lot of neocons on his staff that is true. Those neocons supported Clinton's regiume change policy and pushed for him to be more aggressive that is also true. They trended to be supporters of Israel and Hussein was paying rewards to the families of suicide bombers in Palestine so they didn't really like him. There were some who wanted to attack Iraq for the gross violations of the armistice agreement and for kicking out inspectors. That is also true. That there was a burning desire in the Bush administration to attack Iraq is a conspiracy theory BS backed more by emotion that facts.

Lets be honest there is very little chance of me convincing you there was not some plot to attack Iraq.
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1172 Views
Logic classes would be good in schools. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 717 Views
Ugh. Ghavrel - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 709 Views
Re: Ugh. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 664 Views
Something tells me that no matter who answered your questions you wouldn't believe anyway. everynametaken - 21/09/2011 02:16:52 AM 686 Views
this is a controlled demolition Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 786 Views
That is an incredibly stupid argument. Tom - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 700 Views
I've seen controlled demolitions in person. They happen in the opposite order of the WTC collapses. Ghavrel - 21/09/2011 03:54:35 AM 716 Views
Asking questions is never wrong. ironclad - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 640 Views
Re: Asking questions is never wrong. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 775 Views
Agreed Camilla - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 670 Views
I've long advocated this for the reasons Tom states as well as others. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:49:28 AM 623 Views
I don't know if the Internet is degrading skills, or just giving stupid people a voice beetnemesis - 20/09/2011 02:33:24 PM 733 Views
There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 755 Views
No, there is not. Tom - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 831 Views
Well, the circumstances were odd at least Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 713 Views
As far as conspiracies go ... Nate - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 771 Views
what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 629 Views
I'm not sure you got my gist. Nate - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 633 Views
I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 693 Views
Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. Nate - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 741 Views
Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 735 Views
But that's what I DID argue. Nate - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 717 Views
sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 709 Views
I've always seen them as separate. Nate - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 557 Views
and that is why I decided to drop it random thoughts - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 711 Views
Heh. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 670 Views
And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 782 Views
I'm still annoyed. Nate - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 613 Views
I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM 612 Views
Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 646 Views
and I pointed that it was was just continuin gthe Clinton policy random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:30:13 PM 688 Views
Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM 722 Views
In addition: Nate - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 725 Views
sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 761 Views
This is very frustrating. Nate - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 716 Views
For the war on terror? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 738 Views
And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 696 Views
That contradicts the evidence. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 712 Views
Excuse me? Macharius - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 735 Views
Huh? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 727 Views
the problem with any other theory is the make no sense random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 681 Views
Contemplate this.... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 701 Views
You just did not go Star Trek on me Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 691 Views
And how did you know... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 795 Views
Re: And how did you know... Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 784 Views
You should watch the pilot episode of the X-Files spin-off series The Lone Gunmen. TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 08:19:15 PM 745 Views
humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 644 Views
Won't help Praziquantel - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 704 Views
Make 'em all take debate. nossy - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 685 Views
Would madam like a cane? Elaine - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 774 Views
Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 334 Views
Do you think it would help? aerocontrols - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 654 Views
Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 670 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Tom - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 667 Views
Not actually the best example Isaac - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 662 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? random thoughts - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 695 Views
Wouldn't make much difference Isaac - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 679 Views
OK thanks *NM* random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 368 Views
The fireproofing was scraped off the steel by the crash, so the beams melted. Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:35:08 PM 879 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 719 Views
But how else would they fall down? Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 582 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 748 Views
You could still argue. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 611 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 633 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 681 Views
Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 631 Views
I love geometry proofs. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 752 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* LaSombra - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 365 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 639 Views
+1 *NM* Isaac - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 288 Views
Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. jh - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 881 Views
Ha. Ha. Vivien - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 691 Views
As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. Tom - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 841 Views
I really and truly appreciate your love of pure math for math's sake, but... Tom - 21/09/2011 11:10:03 PM 659 Views
Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone Isaac - 21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM 687 Views
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