Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence.
Nate Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM
I assume you know about the Project for the New American Century (PNAC)?
A think-tank that consisted of high level so-called neo-conservatives who developed papers and reports and letters that indicated the United States should, for example, attack Iraq. The same high level neo-conservatives who became an integral part of the Bush administration. Am I to assume you think it was a coincidence that the Bush administration that decided to invade Iraq was made up of the people who advocated attacking Iraq throughout the late 90s?
PNAC's stated goals were:
- we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
- we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;
- we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad; [and]
- we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.
In 1998 they drafted an open letter to President Clinton, signed by Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz, among others, urging that he authorize an attack on Iraq in order to depose Hussein. They said that they believed Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and would pose a threat to US interests in the Middle East if he were left alone.
In 2000 PNAC published a report advocating the strengthening of US military force for both the purposes of defense and the purposes of shaping international politics and performing "constabulary" duties in critical regions. Regarding Iraq, the report said that the military would be justified in occupying Iraq and that this would be a good course of action in order to create a substantial US military presence in the Middle East and to counter the growing threat of Iran.
Within 9 days of 9/11, PNAC appealed to President Bush to attack Iraq. Throughout 2002 they continued to advocate this, saying that leaving Hussein in power was a "surrender to terrorism".
Given that PNAC was a neo-conservative effort supported by individuals who became members of the Bush administration, I think it is fairly reasonable to believe that said administration used the good grace and national anger created by 9/11 to advance the goal of invading Iraq for international political/military reasons.
I am not in this post giving any opinion either way about the rightness or wrongness of that line of thinking, and once again I repeat that I don't think the US had anything to do with 9/11, but I think it's pretty clear that the Bush administration took advantage of the general sentiment among the American people following 9/11 to advance their goals related to Iraq. After all, you said yourself that there is very little actual connection between the events of 9/11 and Iraq (and I agree). But the administration were linking Iraq with their war on terror and with domestic safety issues, in order to get the American people to agree with it for what the administration felt would be the greater overall good of the nation's future.
It may be true that Bush, the man, himself may not have had any inclination to attack Iraq before 9/11, but it's fairly obvious that some of the advisors he surrounded himself with wanted exactly that, and 9/11 gave them the justification to really push for it.
A think-tank that consisted of high level so-called neo-conservatives who developed papers and reports and letters that indicated the United States should, for example, attack Iraq. The same high level neo-conservatives who became an integral part of the Bush administration. Am I to assume you think it was a coincidence that the Bush administration that decided to invade Iraq was made up of the people who advocated attacking Iraq throughout the late 90s?
PNAC's stated goals were:
- we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
- we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;
- we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad; [and]
- we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.
In 1998 they drafted an open letter to President Clinton, signed by Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz, among others, urging that he authorize an attack on Iraq in order to depose Hussein. They said that they believed Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and would pose a threat to US interests in the Middle East if he were left alone.
In 2000 PNAC published a report advocating the strengthening of US military force for both the purposes of defense and the purposes of shaping international politics and performing "constabulary" duties in critical regions. Regarding Iraq, the report said that the military would be justified in occupying Iraq and that this would be a good course of action in order to create a substantial US military presence in the Middle East and to counter the growing threat of Iran.
Within 9 days of 9/11, PNAC appealed to President Bush to attack Iraq. Throughout 2002 they continued to advocate this, saying that leaving Hussein in power was a "surrender to terrorism".
Given that PNAC was a neo-conservative effort supported by individuals who became members of the Bush administration, I think it is fairly reasonable to believe that said administration used the good grace and national anger created by 9/11 to advance the goal of invading Iraq for international political/military reasons.
I am not in this post giving any opinion either way about the rightness or wrongness of that line of thinking, and once again I repeat that I don't think the US had anything to do with 9/11, but I think it's pretty clear that the Bush administration took advantage of the general sentiment among the American people following 9/11 to advance their goals related to Iraq. After all, you said yourself that there is very little actual connection between the events of 9/11 and Iraq (and I agree). But the administration were linking Iraq with their war on terror and with domestic safety issues, in order to get the American people to agree with it for what the administration felt would be the greater overall good of the nation's future.
It may be true that Bush, the man, himself may not have had any inclination to attack Iraq before 9/11, but it's fairly obvious that some of the advisors he surrounded himself with wanted exactly that, and 9/11 gave them the justification to really push for it.
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools.
20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM
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Logic classes would be good in schools.
20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM
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Ugh.
20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM
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Re: Ugh.
21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM
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Something tells me that no matter who answered your questions you wouldn't believe anyway.
21/09/2011 02:16:52 AM
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this is a controlled demolition
21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM
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I've seen controlled demolitions in person. They happen in the opposite order of the WTC collapses.
21/09/2011 03:54:35 AM
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Agreed
20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM
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I've long advocated this for the reasons Tom states as well as others.
21/09/2011 06:49:28 AM
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I don't know if the Internet is degrading skills, or just giving stupid people a voice
20/09/2011 02:33:24 PM
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There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed
20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM
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No, there is not.
20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM
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Well, the circumstances were odd at least
20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM
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As far as conspiracies go ...
20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM
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what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid?
20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM
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I'm not sure you got my gist.
20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM
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I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11
20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM
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Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence.
20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM
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Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed
20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM
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But that's what I DID argue.
20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM
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sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms
21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM
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I've always seen them as separate.
21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM
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And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member.
21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM
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I'm still annoyed.
21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM
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I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate
21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM
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and I pointed that it was was just continuin gthe Clinton policy
21/09/2011 02:30:13 PM
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Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank.
21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM
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In addition:
20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM
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Contemplate this....
20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM
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You just did not go Star Trek on me
20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM
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You should watch the pilot episode of the X-Files spin-off series The Lone Gunmen.
20/09/2011 08:19:15 PM
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Make 'em all take debate.
20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM
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Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools.
21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM
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Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...?
21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM
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Not actually the best example
21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM
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what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building?
21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM
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The fireproofing was scraped off the steel by the crash, so the beams melted.
21/09/2011 07:35:08 PM
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Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...?
21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM
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You would force Euler on to the masses?
21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM
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You could still argue.
21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM
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I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person
21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM
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Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math.
21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM
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Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid.
21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM
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I really and truly appreciate your love of pure math for math's sake, but...
21/09/2011 11:10:03 PM
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Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone
21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM
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