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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Tom Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM
It seems that people have more and more difficulty with logic these days. I just interacted with a Facebook friend who posted a Zeitgeist-style montage about September 11 that uses inductive reasoning to lead the viewer to infer that 9/11 was an inside job. Yes, we've heard this rubbish before.

The interesting thing is that there was not one positive fact to support what the video was implying. It was just a string of false statements, mischaracterizations and warping of the truth to present a skewed view of what happened. "Are we really supposed to believe 19 guys with boxcutters led by a dialysis patient in a cave managed to..." is how it starts.

Of course, Zeitgeist was a bit more sophisticated. It just lied to the viewer and presented the lies as "facts". That it became as popular as it did is a testament to a failure of critical reasoning rather than logic. People accept things told to them as "facts" as true (unless, of course, the person is anti-American and the facts are presented in mainstream media sources; the flip side is also true, cf. "death panels").

However, this reminded me of Camilla's post about the Jewish professor who was pilloried for trying to discuss the difference between valid and invalid opinions.

I think the Internet is drastically reducing the critical thinking and logic skills for a great number of people. This site is perhaps an exception, as people are far more careful in their arguments, but a cursory review of the comments at CNN, the BBC, the Guardian or (shudder) Twitter will show a mass of ignorance, unbroken by even the faintest hint of actual intelligence.

Seriously, let's push for logic classes. Teach Euler circles, Occam's Razor, sets, Hell - drag Star Trek into the classroom and find examples of Spock using logic in the series (as opposed to just categorizing something as "illogical" or "highly illogical"). We need logic in the Internet age, and we need it badly.
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1214 Views
Logic classes would be good in schools. - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 764 Views
Ugh. - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 750 Views
Re: Ugh. - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 710 Views
this is a controlled demolition - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 831 Views
That is an incredibly stupid argument. - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 738 Views
Asking questions is never wrong. - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 677 Views
Re: Asking questions is never wrong. - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 826 Views
Agreed - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 706 Views
There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 794 Views
No, there is not. - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 870 Views
Well, the circumstances were odd at least - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 751 Views
As far as conspiracies go ... - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 813 Views
what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 671 Views
I'm not sure you got my gist. - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 674 Views
I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 728 Views
Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 781 Views
Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 765 Views
But that's what I DID argue. - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 753 Views
sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 750 Views
I've always seen them as separate. - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 600 Views
and that is why I decided to drop it - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 757 Views
Heh. - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 711 Views
And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 843 Views
I'm still annoyed. - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 657 Views
Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so. - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 686 Views
In addition: - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 765 Views
sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 801 Views
This is very frustrating. - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 751 Views
For the war on terror? - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 775 Views
And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 726 Views
That contradicts the evidence. - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 747 Views
Excuse me? - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 778 Views
Huh? - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 768 Views
the problem with any other theory is the make no sense - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 722 Views
Contemplate this.... - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 741 Views
You just did not go Star Trek on me - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 735 Views
And how did you know... - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 835 Views
Re: And how did you know... - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 828 Views
humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 680 Views
Won't help - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 750 Views
Make 'em all take debate. - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 731 Views
Would madam like a cane? - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 828 Views
Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 353 Views
Do you think it would help? - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 694 Views
Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 720 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 711 Views
Not actually the best example - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 697 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 736 Views
Wouldn't make much difference - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 715 Views
OK thanks *NM* - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 386 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 764 Views
But how else would they fall down? - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 621 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 788 Views
You could still argue. - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 646 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 679 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 720 Views
Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 669 Views
I love geometry proofs. - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 783 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 384 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 680 Views
+1 *NM* - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 300 Views
Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 927 Views
Ha. Ha. - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 726 Views
As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 882 Views

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