Terms from fighting probably can't be ignored; terms from war can be.
Joel Send a noteboard - 13/09/2011 02:07:17 AM
Here is a clip of what was edited out.
The manipulation here is blatant. I am disgusted when either side uses these tactics.
I don't think that he was advocating taking them out with mobs weilding ballot boxes. Pretty sure he was talking about taking them out by using the right to vote. Duh.
The manipulation here is blatant. I am disgusted when either side uses these tactics.
I don't think that he was advocating taking them out with mobs weilding ballot boxes. Pretty sure he was talking about taking them out by using the right to vote. Duh.
Excessively so; his repeated reference to the political conflict as a "war", telling the crowd it was an "army" and twice saying they should "take out" the Tea Party are inflammatory incitement and therefore dangerous. If some liberal nutjob and/or zealot takes those statements as encouragement to physically attack a Tea Party leader I would hold Hoffa partly responsible for that, just as I would perry if a conservative nutjob/zealot physically attacked Bernanke. These are tense times, and that means we can't afford to toss rhetorical bombs into groups of desperate angry partisans.
analogies regarding war or fighting. I loathe boxing but I often use boxing analogies such as "Get back in the ring and fight" or "throw in the towel". I also don't like war but the terms uses for warfare are very good for analogies. This is the type of crap that started the backlash against political correctness. This is a never ending cycle here. None of those instances were that bad. It just makes me want to bang my head against a wall. Or a head.
I lost track of how many times Hoffa said, "war" in just a one minute clip. Calling people traitors and suggesting things be "done" to them seems about the same to me (seriously or not, Perry was chiding an IA crowd for responding too MILDLY to Bernanke, despite their strong and obvious displeasure with the Fed Chair; since they were already yelling at him, what more did the governor expect/recommend...?) I'm not saying people can't or shouldn't be passionate, heated, or that they can or should completely avoid any language that MIGHT be connected with physical violence. I am saying they shouldn't consciously and concertedly integrate intensely and explicitly violent language as much as possible to make themselves sound "tough", whip supporters into a rabid frenzy or whatever. At BEST that kind of demagoguery is just substituting empty emotion for policy, but when lethal imagery is routinely applied with a perfunctory disclaimer identifying it as a metaphor, it's dangerous. As far as comparing this to the PC backlash I humbly submit that the difference between then and now is that people weren't getting shot over PC.
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Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"
05/09/2011 07:42:59 PM
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erm, isn't that that guy who died/vanished mysteriously ages ago? *NM*
05/09/2011 08:46:20 PM
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This is junior.....apple doesn't fall far does it? *NM*
05/09/2011 09:01:47 PM
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I'm pretty sure it's actually his zombie... and what, no in the title? *NM*
05/09/2011 09:14:42 PM
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I decided to give everyone a short break from the thumbs, it's a Labor Day present! *NM*
05/09/2011 10:22:44 PM
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Violent rhetoric from the teamsters is not surprising
05/09/2011 09:27:54 PM
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I was sans internet after the 1st.
12/09/2011 10:32:55 PM
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Fair enough
12/09/2011 11:03:10 PM
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Re: Fair enough
13/09/2011 12:47:19 AM
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No disagreement in principle
13/09/2011 03:55:19 AM
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Sounds like our only disagreement is over where to strike the balance.
15/09/2011 12:36:50 PM
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you think saying we would treat someone ugly is grounds for prosecution. Now that is scary *NM*
12/09/2011 11:32:24 PM
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Yeah, he left it vague enough to avoid responsibility for anything a supporter did at his urging.
13/09/2011 12:53:34 AM
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you mena he left it vague enough for people who really want to believe it was a threat
13/09/2011 02:01:29 PM
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I'm still not sure what non-threatening hostile ACTS you think he was suggesting.
13/09/2011 02:34:09 PM
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Yeah, cause violent rhetoric works so well with Liberal Ideology.
05/09/2011 10:54:11 PM
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Obama/WH = coward.....no comment on remarks by union d-head.
06/09/2011 04:50:42 PM
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And yet, you never expect GOP leadership to call out their hotheads.
06/09/2011 06:31:14 PM
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no the definition of hypocrisy would be the none stop whining about tone we hear from the left
06/09/2011 06:51:52 PM
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If you'll notice, I have condemned it in this thread. twice.
06/09/2011 07:12:54 PM
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yes but only so you could make your "but the republicans are worse" comments
06/09/2011 08:07:37 PM
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random is right - I/my side weren't the ones whining about civility for months.....
06/09/2011 08:29:12 PM
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I would be dissappointed in Obama if he did apologize. The video you watched was doctored.
08/09/2011 01:35:39 AM
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when you compare what Hoffa said vs what people got upset about Palin saying Palin wins
08/09/2011 05:03:18 AM
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That was stupid too. I just want to throttle people when they get stupid about interpreting crap
09/09/2011 01:37:02 AM
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So nobody at all bothered to look for an unedited version of the speech? Really?
08/09/2011 12:04:50 AM
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I did, but it's not really pertinent to most of our comments
08/09/2011 04:02:42 AM
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I'm not so much objecting to him as much as I am advocating having him shot by Pinkertons *NM*
08/09/2011 05:37:10 AM
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I am tired of anyone getting their panties in a bunch on purpose because they choose to interpret
09/09/2011 01:43:14 AM
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For me that video changes nothing; his rhetorical imagery was unacceptably violent.
12/09/2011 10:28:00 PM
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I don't think that we can afford to watch every single little thing we say and obliterate any
13/09/2011 12:56:34 AM
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Terms from fighting probably can't be ignored; terms from war can be.
13/09/2011 02:07:17 AM
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