every mormon i ever met insists they are Christian so i took their word for it. I watched all 5 seasons of Big Love, but i didnt want to base my opinion on Mormons based on that, i though they were the fringe, but apparently some of that "crazy" stuff is part of mainstream Mormon belief. i personally dont care or think we have anything to fear from a Mormon president, Its like when people were afraid of Kennedy being Catholic, it doesnt really affect how they govern because we have congress to offset any crazy (hopefully)
Does she have to apologize for saying Buddhists and Hindus aren't Christians, or just the ones whose church leaders represent them as Christian?
I thought the qualifier for being Christian was to accept Jesus Christ as your savior, which they do. I know they have some other little cultish things thrown in there but you could say the same for Catholics or Pentecostals...
The purpose of Jesus is to show us what we're supposed to do to fix our sinful selves and take Gods place on His throne, just like Jesus fixed His sinful self and took His Fathers place, just like His Father fixed His sinful self and took HIS fathers place. According to Joseph Smith this actually happened one more time. That's right, in addition to bootstrap levitating Himself into divinity, Jesus is not only the Son of God, but the grandson and great-grandson of previous Gods that the three Abrahamic religions never got around to mentioning in their holy books--which is why we need the Book of Mormon.
Curiously, those OTHER books do mention someone telling man he should assume Gods abilities and take His place as ruler of heaven, but IIRC attempting that isn't exactly affirmed as CHURCH DOCTRINE.
I know Mormons who are Christians--despite the worst efforts of the LDS, whose doctine is not in any sense Christian. You have to really back the leaders into a corner to get them to admit what they REALLY teach (which seems closer to Gnosticism than anything else), but . As noted above, despite all the other differences between the Roman Catholics, Protestants and Eastern Orthodox churches (differences so deep that Protestantism derives their name from them, and the "Great Schism" between the Greek and Roman church happened about 1000 years ago), they ALL accept and affirm the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed">Nicene Creed</a> that Mormon church doctrine explicitly rejects. The Mormon church, at a doctrinal and hierarchical level, is about as Christian as a Hasidic Jew--but a lot less open about that fact.
Understand, this is America and people can believe whatever the heck they want, but when they actively conceal those beliefs and represent them as something else, while tracking the families of everyone on Earth they can nail down and actively seeking ever more secular power, it concerns me, as much about what I don't know as what I do. When a descendant of one of their "patriarchs" (which really is practically royalty) and leader of a dozen congregations (who's widely noted for being vague and inconsistent when pressed on what he affirms in general) parlays that into a bid to run the nation it worries me greatly.
that straight up said that Mitt Romney is not a Christian because Mormons are NOT christians, she later had to apologize for it I think, but the seeds were sown...and the polls show that a good portion of Americans for some reason dont think favorably of Mormons and its your side thats obsessed with people having to be Christian to be a good leaders so its all on you buddy
Does she have to apologize for saying Buddhists and Hindus aren't Christians, or just the ones whose church leaders represent them as Christian?
I thought the qualifier for being Christian was to accept Jesus Christ as your savior, which they do. I know they have some other little cultish things thrown in there but you could say the same for Catholics or Pentecostals...
The purpose of Jesus is to show us what we're supposed to do to fix our sinful selves and take Gods place on His throne, just like Jesus fixed His sinful self and took His Fathers place, just like His Father fixed His sinful self and took HIS fathers place. According to Joseph Smith this actually happened one more time. That's right, in addition to bootstrap levitating Himself into divinity, Jesus is not only the Son of God, but the grandson and great-grandson of previous Gods that the three Abrahamic religions never got around to mentioning in their holy books--which is why we need the Book of Mormon.
Curiously, those OTHER books do mention someone telling man he should assume Gods abilities and take His place as ruler of heaven, but IIRC attempting that isn't exactly affirmed as CHURCH DOCTRINE.
I know Mormons who are Christians--despite the worst efforts of the LDS, whose doctine is not in any sense Christian. You have to really back the leaders into a corner to get them to admit what they REALLY teach (which seems closer to Gnosticism than anything else), but . As noted above, despite all the other differences between the Roman Catholics, Protestants and Eastern Orthodox churches (differences so deep that Protestantism derives their name from them, and the "Great Schism" between the Greek and Roman church happened about 1000 years ago), they ALL accept and affirm the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed">Nicene Creed</a> that Mormon church doctrine explicitly rejects. The Mormon church, at a doctrinal and hierarchical level, is about as Christian as a Hasidic Jew--but a lot less open about that fact.
Understand, this is America and people can believe whatever the heck they want, but when they actively conceal those beliefs and represent them as something else, while tracking the families of everyone on Earth they can nail down and actively seeking ever more secular power, it concerns me, as much about what I don't know as what I do. When a descendant of one of their "patriarchs" (which really is practically royalty) and leader of a dozen congregations (who's widely noted for being vague and inconsistent when pressed on what he affirms in general) parlays that into a bid to run the nation it worries me greatly.
Aisha - formerly known as randschicka
Tim Pawlenty drops out of the race 
- 14/08/2011 07:20:58 PM
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- 14/08/2011 07:20:58 PM
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Bummer, I liked him. *NM*
- 14/08/2011 07:23:42 PM
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Yeah, him and Cain are the only ones I actually liked to hear talk
- 14/08/2011 07:38:08 PM
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Grumpy and just nuts enough to be entertaining, from what I've heard...
- 14/08/2011 08:15:15 PM
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Probably better to say he's not polished
- 14/08/2011 08:46:37 PM
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Yeah, as Aisha says, it's the Islam issue he sounded the craziest on...
- 14/08/2011 11:16:20 PM
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Re: Yeah, as Aisha says, it's the Islam issue he sounded the craziest on...
- 15/08/2011 12:02:22 AM
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well I don't think his posistion on Israel will play much of a factor one way or the other
- 15/08/2011 02:07:55 AM
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I've never really gotten to know him... which kind of says enough.
- 14/08/2011 07:35:40 PM
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I think Michelle Bachman and Herman Cain are awesome. You should consider them *NM*
- 14/08/2011 09:25:55 PM
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About fucking time. Now if we could just get Santorum to drop, too.
- 14/08/2011 09:28:53 PM
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He'd indicated he would
- 14/08/2011 11:47:03 PM
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Oh, I don't think Bachmann WILL be kingmaker, but that's her goal.
- 15/08/2011 02:39:51 PM
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bachman is gonna be the vice presidential nominee for either Perry or Romney
- 15/08/2011 04:22:33 AM
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funny that I only see liberals making an issue of his religion *NM*
- 15/08/2011 05:13:03 AM
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It's a clumsy attempt to poison the well
- 15/08/2011 05:59:26 AM
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Re: It's a clumsy attempt to poison the well
- 15/08/2011 07:13:01 AM
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Dems used to chase the evangelical vote, and the Church never should've permitted a political coup.
- 15/08/2011 09:22:53 AM
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For the record, I'm not trying to poison any wells.
- 15/08/2011 09:54:53 AM
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I think the deal with Huckabee
- 15/08/2011 07:21:08 PM
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Huckabee didn't hide his beliefs, but also made clear he wouldn't try to legislate them.
- 16/08/2011 12:58:48 PM
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yeah i guess it was s liberal Fox reporter/talking head/whatever the Eff they are called
- 15/08/2011 07:07:07 AM
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I'm not sure why she had to apologize for saying that.
- 15/08/2011 09:56:39 AM
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because its not true? Mormons ARE Christians arent they?
- 15/08/2011 04:52:32 PM
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Except their founder taught, and his church teaches, that man is his own savior.
- 15/08/2011 05:54:28 PM
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well ok then, i didnt know all that
- 15/08/2011 06:58:22 PM
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Precisely; every Mormon you ever meet will ALWAYS insist they're Christian.
- 16/08/2011 01:57:06 PM
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So nutcase liberals and one woman on Fox News and she had the decency to apologize *NM*
- 15/08/2011 02:04:44 PM
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I find that highly unlikely.
- 15/08/2011 02:47:35 PM
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I personally am considering voting for Romney , but I wouldnt underestimate Bachman and her power
- 15/08/2011 04:58:19 PM
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Also, it is very likely that Palin will not enter.....
- 14/08/2011 09:58:48 PM
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besides the fact that they both have west Texas accents what similarites?
- 15/08/2011 01:59:45 AM
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By the way, why did Kay B Hutch run against him in the primary election?
- 15/08/2011 03:43:52 AM
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Some did want to dump him, over the toll roads and mandatory HPV vaccines for school girls.
- 15/08/2011 03:58:38 AM
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you call losing by 15 points competing? *NM*
- 15/08/2011 04:07:08 AM
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It was 12.9%, which is pretty good for a Dem in a very red state during a very red year.
- 15/08/2011 04:26:58 AM
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Isn't that almost the exact same numbers Obama lost by in Texas?
- 15/08/2011 05:02:57 AM
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Roughly; are you going to pretend that 2010 was as good a year for Dems as 2008?
- 15/08/2011 05:34:32 AM
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there was a perception that he was vulnerable
- 15/08/2011 04:48:41 AM
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He was vulnerable, he only won in 06 with 39 percent of the vote *NM*
- 15/08/2011 01:14:43 PM
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I have to agree with the take that it's symptomatic of a larger problem.
- 14/08/2011 10:23:02 PM
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There's no "victory laurel" there. The Iowa straw poll is as irrelevant as lint in one's navel.
- 14/08/2011 11:13:36 PM
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Largely true; it matters to people like Bachmann who need credibility, but to few others.
- 15/08/2011 12:20:48 AM
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unnamed sources from left leaning news source? who could question that *NM*
- 15/08/2011 01:25:07 AM
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Just because you don't like the quote doesn't make the person citing it "left leaning".
- 15/08/2011 02:00:15 AM
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It was a quote from Politico which is a left leaning news blog and the sources were unnamed
- 15/08/2011 02:14:09 AM
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If you say so.
- 15/08/2011 03:53:08 AM
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so you are going to just ignore the fact that your entire argument is based on unnamed sources?
- 15/08/2011 05:12:01 AM
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I'm not surprised no Republican wants to go on the record with that.
- 15/08/2011 05:51:47 AM
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I'm kinda curious how this thread got controversial
- 15/08/2011 06:26:15 AM
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Probably because I opined my impression that most of the viable GOP field looks pretty unimpressive.
- 15/08/2011 09:11:45 AM
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I look at politics like I look at sports and call races on what I believe will happen
- 15/08/2011 02:47:35 PM
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Normally I'd say that's the best approach, but in US politics all teams play for the same owner.
- 15/08/2011 04:04:43 PM
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I am trying to keep it to just the facts and my opinion of the race
- 15/08/2011 02:49:47 PM
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Are we surprised by this?
- 15/08/2011 07:05:59 PM
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