Keep in mind they assume everyone on the right is either a religious nut or worships the almighty dollar, that's the downside of buying into your own propaganda I suppose.
I'm pretty much resigned to Romney being the next President because of his business and UT connections; I do think it's funny how everyone made such a big terrifying deal of Huckabees history as a Baptist minister but none of those same people seem to care about Romney being in charge of double digit Mormon congegations for nearly a decade. I don't have a problem with Romney just because he's a Mormon, because I know much of the laity in many churches don't endorse every iota of official church doctrine. Senior church leaders typically do though, particularly when descended from six generations of such leaders all the way back to the men revered as the twelve patriarchs of the church. That in itself wouldn't be a problem either were it not for the LDS promoting itself as a Christian church despite asserting (though rarely in mixed company) the deification of man, the sinful fallen nature of Christ and the notion that Christ not only had a Father but (apparently) a grandfather and great-grandfather, too. It's a fundamental and deceitful misrepresentation of the facts, but it's also part and parcel with the gun-hating, tax-loving NARAL donor who was Governor of MA and now presents himself as a gun-loving, tax-hating pro-life GOP presidential candidate.
There are a lot more questions than answers with Romney, and his senior role in an organization that shouts its Christianity yet to this day quietly affirms man should perfect HIMSELF so that he can assume Gods throne as God did before him is just one of many, but as a Christian, yes, it's a big one for me. I think it speaks volumes that, although the Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox and virtually all Protestant churches accept the Nicene Creed even when it isn't part of their catechism, the LDS explicitly rejects it, and still insists they're a Christian church. At best, LDS leaders BADLY misunderstand the gospel if they genuinely believe Christianity is about man achieving his own righteousness (not to mention divinity), but representing it as Christianity, combined with an extreme reluctance to discuss their actual doctrine even in religious forums unless backed into a corner, smacks of a hidden agenda. Jehovahs Witnesses think Jesus is the Archangel Michael, so they're just as non-trinitariann(although Joseph Smiths sermons affirm both polytheism and strict monotheism at various places, but anyway... )--but Jehovahs Witnesses don't conceal that belief or market their religion as the Christianity they reject.
Ultimately, I think Americans have a right to know what the nations leader stands for rather than simply accepting whoever back room Wall Street donors and a cadre of mysterious religious leaders appoint. Not that I expect any of that to make any difference in the end, because Romney undeniably DOES have the money and connections that are all that matter in American politics now, and some people will always vote for whoever the Republican Party puts in front of them. I must say it's kind of ironic to see you dismiss sincere and, IMHO, valid concerns as if religious advocacy is somehow off limits, in the same thread where rt decided to bring up Jeremiah Wright again. Say what you want about him or Obama, but I bet you can't find one bit of doctrine in their catechism that explicitly contradicts the gospel at the most basic level.
Bah, I'd decided I wasn't wasting my time with the elephant and pony show anymore; I'll link the article later that aided that decision, but I'll leave the floor to you and anyone who wants it here.
EDIT: I do that far too often, but at least there's a link now.
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Tim Pawlenty drops out of the race
- 14/08/2011 07:20:58 PM
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- 14/08/2011 07:20:58 PM
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Bummer, I liked him. *NM*
- 14/08/2011 07:23:42 PM
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Yeah, him and Cain are the only ones I actually liked to hear talk
- 14/08/2011 07:38:08 PM
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Grumpy and just nuts enough to be entertaining, from what I've heard...
- 14/08/2011 08:15:15 PM
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Probably better to say he's not polished
- 14/08/2011 08:46:37 PM
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Yeah, as Aisha says, it's the Islam issue he sounded the craziest on...
- 14/08/2011 11:16:20 PM
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Re: Yeah, as Aisha says, it's the Islam issue he sounded the craziest on...
- 15/08/2011 12:02:22 AM
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well I don't think his posistion on Israel will play much of a factor one way or the other
- 15/08/2011 02:07:55 AM
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I've never really gotten to know him... which kind of says enough.
- 14/08/2011 07:35:40 PM
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I think Michelle Bachman and Herman Cain are awesome. You should consider them *NM*
- 14/08/2011 09:25:55 PM
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About fucking time. Now if we could just get Santorum to drop, too.
- 14/08/2011 09:28:53 PM
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He'd indicated he would
- 14/08/2011 11:47:03 PM
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Oh, I don't think Bachmann WILL be kingmaker, but that's her goal.
- 15/08/2011 02:39:51 PM
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bachman is gonna be the vice presidential nominee for either Perry or Romney
- 15/08/2011 04:22:33 AM
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funny that I only see liberals making an issue of his religion *NM*
- 15/08/2011 05:13:03 AM
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It's a clumsy attempt to poison the well
- 15/08/2011 05:59:26 AM
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Re: It's a clumsy attempt to poison the well
- 15/08/2011 07:13:01 AM
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Dems used to chase the evangelical vote, and the Church never should've permitted a political coup.
- 15/08/2011 09:22:53 AM
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For the record, I'm not trying to poison any wells.
- 15/08/2011 09:54:53 AM
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I think the deal with Huckabee
- 15/08/2011 07:21:08 PM
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Huckabee didn't hide his beliefs, but also made clear he wouldn't try to legislate them.
- 16/08/2011 12:58:48 PM
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yeah i guess it was s liberal Fox reporter/talking head/whatever the Eff they are called
- 15/08/2011 07:07:07 AM
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I'm not sure why she had to apologize for saying that.
- 15/08/2011 09:56:39 AM
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because its not true? Mormons ARE Christians arent they?
- 15/08/2011 04:52:32 PM
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Except their founder taught, and his church teaches, that man is his own savior.
- 15/08/2011 05:54:28 PM
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well ok then, i didnt know all that
- 15/08/2011 06:58:22 PM
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Precisely; every Mormon you ever meet will ALWAYS insist they're Christian.
- 16/08/2011 01:57:06 PM
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So nutcase liberals and one woman on Fox News and she had the decency to apologize *NM*
- 15/08/2011 02:04:44 PM
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I find that highly unlikely.
- 15/08/2011 02:47:35 PM
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I personally am considering voting for Romney , but I wouldnt underestimate Bachman and her power
- 15/08/2011 04:58:19 PM
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Also, it is very likely that Palin will not enter.....
- 14/08/2011 09:58:48 PM
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besides the fact that they both have west Texas accents what similarites?
- 15/08/2011 01:59:45 AM
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By the way, why did Kay B Hutch run against him in the primary election?
- 15/08/2011 03:43:52 AM
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Some did want to dump him, over the toll roads and mandatory HPV vaccines for school girls.
- 15/08/2011 03:58:38 AM
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you call losing by 15 points competing? *NM*
- 15/08/2011 04:07:08 AM
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It was 12.9%, which is pretty good for a Dem in a very red state during a very red year.
- 15/08/2011 04:26:58 AM
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Isn't that almost the exact same numbers Obama lost by in Texas?
- 15/08/2011 05:02:57 AM
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Roughly; are you going to pretend that 2010 was as good a year for Dems as 2008?
- 15/08/2011 05:34:32 AM
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there was a perception that he was vulnerable
- 15/08/2011 04:48:41 AM
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He was vulnerable, he only won in 06 with 39 percent of the vote *NM*
- 15/08/2011 01:14:43 PM
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I have to agree with the take that it's symptomatic of a larger problem.
- 14/08/2011 10:23:02 PM
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There's no "victory laurel" there. The Iowa straw poll is as irrelevant as lint in one's navel.
- 14/08/2011 11:13:36 PM
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Largely true; it matters to people like Bachmann who need credibility, but to few others.
- 15/08/2011 12:20:48 AM
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unnamed sources from left leaning news source? who could question that *NM*
- 15/08/2011 01:25:07 AM
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Just because you don't like the quote doesn't make the person citing it "left leaning".
- 15/08/2011 02:00:15 AM
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It was a quote from Politico which is a left leaning news blog and the sources were unnamed
- 15/08/2011 02:14:09 AM
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If you say so.
- 15/08/2011 03:53:08 AM
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so you are going to just ignore the fact that your entire argument is based on unnamed sources?
- 15/08/2011 05:12:01 AM
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I'm not surprised no Republican wants to go on the record with that.
- 15/08/2011 05:51:47 AM
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I'm kinda curious how this thread got controversial
- 15/08/2011 06:26:15 AM
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Probably because I opined my impression that most of the viable GOP field looks pretty unimpressive.
- 15/08/2011 09:11:45 AM
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I look at politics like I look at sports and call races on what I believe will happen
- 15/08/2011 02:47:35 PM
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Normally I'd say that's the best approach, but in US politics all teams play for the same owner.
- 15/08/2011 04:04:43 PM
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I am trying to keep it to just the facts and my opinion of the race
- 15/08/2011 02:49:47 PM
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Are we surprised by this?
- 15/08/2011 07:05:59 PM
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