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Largely true; it matters to people like Bachmann who need credibility, but to few others. Joel Send a noteboard - 15/08/2011 12:20:48 AM

It's a very skewed sampling of a very unrepresentative state and the votes are practically bought. If anyone wanted to pay enough money, he (or in this case, she) could come out on top.

The reason Romney and Perry ignored it in their own ways (and, in the case of Perry, snubbed it by stealing the press over it) is because as front-runners they don't need to waste the money to buy the straw poll. It was only important for candidates who were considered nobodys, because a straw poll win will give them some free press for a few days as the 24-hour news channels analyze to death the most irrelevant piece of political news out there.

The simple fact is that Romney is the strongest Republican candidate, followed by Perry, and one of the two of them will end up going up against Obama. Whether or not that person wins will probably have a hell of a lot to do with what the economy and jobs situation looks like, because it will be a referendum on the do-nothing President rather than a vote "for" the other candidate for a lot of voters (particularly independents).

I support Romney, but I could hold my nose and vote for Perry despite his social conservatism. If neither of them wins (and assuming no one better, like Christie, jumps into the race) I will just not vote rather than give a vote to anyone else. Maybe I'll write my own name in as a write-in. I'm old enough to be President.

You realize that Perrys much touted "job creation" record boils down to

1) A lot of people whose major qualification is the ability to ask "Do you want fries with that?" and

2) a lot of government jobs at the new (in many cases, duplicate) state agencies he created, which have been insulated from budget cuts in other states by the fact the Texas Legislature only meets every other year.

In the latter case, by the time Perry has to run hard for the GOP nomination, his chief merit, job creation, is likely to have evaporated when the next Legislative session axes government jobs to offset budget shortfalls as other states have. Meanwhile, while conservative Texas RAFOlk may not share that fear, even state GOP chairman worry that Perry will reek of Bush to the rest of the nation. Not that it matters, because the corporate (i.e. important) "wing" of the party is so solidly behind Romney that they even create new corporations for the sake of anonymously donating a million dollars to his campaign (incidentally doing an end run around the limits on donations by ACTUAL "people"). Romney's your nominee, and probably our next President; I assume he won't be in office long before we find out if he's the anti-abortion, pro-gun, anti-tax presidential candidate or the pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro-tax MA governor. Maybe I should start a pool....

Not that ANY of it matters because, even though Obama consistently leads all Republican candidates by a fair margin (double digits over anyone but Romney), if there's one thing the "Hope and Change" candidate has proven it's that you get your corporate President no matter what because those are the only ones running; all we're debating now is which one of them gets the honor. Like I say, enjoy your second "one time" corporate tax holiday, because, Democratic Senate and "socialist" President notwithstanding, I think it's only a matter of months until it becomes law yet again. If you have any doubts about the real score, bear in mind this is the same "small government" GOP that didn't stop at slashing taxes for the major donors, but ran up $4 trillion worth of new debt invading two sovereign nations and passed the "USA PATRIOT" Act to silence its critics.

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Tim Pawlenty drops out of the race

Isaac - 14/08/2011 07:20:58 PM 1181 Views

Bummer, I liked him. *NM* Darth_Katie - 14/08/2011 07:23:42 PM 308 Views

Yeah, him and Cain are the only ones I actually liked to hear talk Isaac - 14/08/2011 07:38:08 PM 625 Views

Grumpy and just nuts enough to be entertaining, from what I've heard... Legolas - 14/08/2011 08:15:15 PM 703 Views

Probably better to say he's not polished Isaac - 14/08/2011 08:46:37 PM 623 Views

Herman Cain is more obsessed with sharia than Muslims Aisha - 14/08/2011 09:28:21 PM 651 Views

Yeah, as Aisha says, it's the Islam issue he sounded the craziest on... Legolas - 14/08/2011 11:16:20 PM 795 Views

Re: Yeah, as Aisha says, it's the Islam issue he sounded the craziest on... Isaac - 15/08/2011 12:02:22 AM 638 Views

well I don't think his posistion on Israel will play much of a factor one way or the other random thoughts - 15/08/2011 02:07:55 AM 582 Views

I've never really gotten to know him... which kind of says enough. Legolas - 14/08/2011 07:35:40 PM 691 Views

That pretty much sums it up I think Isaac - 14/08/2011 07:44:12 PM 630 Views

Yep. Legolas - 14/08/2011 08:26:17 PM 704 Views

Re: That pretty much sums it up I think Macharius - 15/08/2011 01:56:45 PM 634 Views

Apparently Super Tuesday won't be quite as super this time. Joel - 14/08/2011 08:49:40 PM 683 Views

I think Michelle Bachman and Herman Cain are awesome. You should consider them *NM* Aisha - 14/08/2011 09:25:55 PM 333 Views

You're bordering on troll Isaac - 14/08/2011 11:37:37 PM 653 Views

Yes, Aisha is every bit as batsh!t as Bachmann or Palin..... trzaska2000 - 15/08/2011 04:36:05 AM 630 Views

I agree. Grow up a bit Aisha. *NM* everynametaken - 15/08/2011 07:39:49 AM 296 Views

About fucking time. Now if we could just get Santorum to drop, too. Tom - 14/08/2011 09:28:53 PM 670 Views

He'd indicated he would Isaac - 14/08/2011 11:47:03 PM 821 Views

Oh, I don't think Bachmann WILL be kingmaker, but that's her goal. Tom - 15/08/2011 02:39:51 PM 620 Views

bachman is gonna be the vice presidential nominee for either Perry or Romney Aisha - 15/08/2011 04:22:33 AM 648 Views

funny that I only see liberals making an issue of his religion *NM* random thoughts - 15/08/2011 05:13:03 AM 313 Views

It's a clumsy attempt to poison the well Isaac - 15/08/2011 05:59:26 AM 581 Views

Re: It's a clumsy attempt to poison the well Aisha - 15/08/2011 07:13:01 AM 640 Views

Dems used to chase the evangelical vote, and the Church never should've permitted a political coup. Joel - 15/08/2011 09:22:53 AM 824 Views

For the record, I'm not trying to poison any wells. Joel - 15/08/2011 09:54:53 AM 675 Views

I think the deal with Huckabee nossy - 15/08/2011 07:21:08 PM 629 Views

Huckabee didn't hide his beliefs, but also made clear he wouldn't try to legislate them. Joel - 16/08/2011 12:58:48 PM 679 Views

yeah i guess it was s liberal Fox reporter/talking head/whatever the Eff they are called Aisha - 15/08/2011 07:07:07 AM 684 Views

I'm not sure why she had to apologize for saying that. Joel - 15/08/2011 09:56:39 AM 644 Views

because its not true? Mormons ARE Christians arent they? Aisha - 15/08/2011 04:52:32 PM 675 Views

Except their founder taught, and his church teaches, that man is his own savior. Joel - 15/08/2011 05:54:28 PM 666 Views

well ok then, i didnt know all that Aisha - 15/08/2011 06:58:22 PM 1134 Views

Precisely; every Mormon you ever meet will ALWAYS insist they're Christian. Joel - 16/08/2011 01:57:06 PM 755 Views

So nutcase liberals and one woman on Fox News and she had the decency to apologize *NM* random thoughts - 15/08/2011 02:04:44 PM 328 Views

I find that highly unlikely. Tom - 15/08/2011 02:47:35 PM 730 Views

I agree with you. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 15/08/2011 03:08:35 PM 250 Views

I personally am considering voting for Romney , but I wouldnt underestimate Bachman and her power Aisha - 15/08/2011 04:58:19 PM 664 Views

I think it is ok to "underestimate" her. nossy - 15/08/2011 07:13:18 PM 600 Views

Also, it is very likely that Palin will not enter..... trzaska2000 - 14/08/2011 09:58:48 PM 676 Views

Your analysis of Perrys effect seems dead on to me. Joel - 15/08/2011 12:28:42 AM 665 Views

besides the fact that they both have west Texas accents what similarites? random thoughts - 15/08/2011 01:59:45 AM 641 Views

By the way, why did Kay B Hutch run against him in the primary election? trzaska2000 - 15/08/2011 03:43:52 AM 615 Views

Some did want to dump him, over the toll roads and mandatory HPV vaccines for school girls. Joel - 15/08/2011 03:58:38 AM 688 Views

you call losing by 15 points competing? *NM* random thoughts - 15/08/2011 04:07:08 AM 293 Views

It was 12.9%, which is pretty good for a Dem in a very red state during a very red year. Joel - 15/08/2011 04:26:58 AM 663 Views

Isn't that almost the exact same numbers Obama lost by in Texas? random thoughts - 15/08/2011 05:02:57 AM 646 Views

Roughly; are you going to pretend that 2010 was as good a year for Dems as 2008? Joel - 15/08/2011 05:34:32 AM 621 Views

there was a perception that he was vulnerable random thoughts - 15/08/2011 04:48:41 AM 737 Views

He was vulnerable, he only won in 06 with 39 percent of the vote *NM* Roland00 - 15/08/2011 01:14:43 PM 303 Views

KBH ran a terrible campaign random thoughts - 15/08/2011 02:14:48 PM 581 Views

I have to agree with the take that it's symptomatic of a larger problem. Joel - 14/08/2011 10:23:02 PM 674 Views

There's no "victory laurel" there. The Iowa straw poll is as irrelevant as lint in one's navel. Tom - 14/08/2011 11:13:36 PM 684 Views

Largely true; it matters to people like Bachmann who need credibility, but to few others. Joel - 15/08/2011 12:20:48 AM 776 Views

unnamed sources from left leaning news source? who could question that *NM* random thoughts - 15/08/2011 01:25:07 AM 392 Views

Just because you don't like the quote doesn't make the person citing it "left leaning". Joel - 15/08/2011 02:00:15 AM 659 Views

It was a quote from Politico which is a left leaning news blog and the sources were unnamed random thoughts - 15/08/2011 02:14:09 AM 637 Views

If you say so. Joel - 15/08/2011 03:53:08 AM 651 Views

so you are going to just ignore the fact that your entire argument is based on unnamed sources? random thoughts - 15/08/2011 05:12:01 AM 590 Views

I'm not surprised no Republican wants to go on the record with that. Joel - 15/08/2011 05:51:47 AM 570 Views

I'm kinda curious how this thread got controversial Isaac - 15/08/2011 06:26:15 AM 616 Views

Probably because I opined my impression that most of the viable GOP field looks pretty unimpressive. Joel - 15/08/2011 09:11:45 AM 1839 Views

I look at politics like I look at sports and call races on what I believe will happen random thoughts - 15/08/2011 02:47:35 PM 657 Views

Normally I'd say that's the best approach, but in US politics all teams play for the same owner. Joel - 15/08/2011 04:04:43 PM 1082 Views

I am trying to keep it to just the facts and my opinion of the race random thoughts - 15/08/2011 02:49:47 PM 533 Views

Re: I HAD HIM GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE ROSE BOWL! *NM* Gaps - 15/08/2011 02:08:25 AM 291 Views

Are we surprised by this? nossy - 15/08/2011 07:05:59 PM 614 Views

I really doubt you will like Perry

random thoughts - 15/08/2011 07:10:45 PM 597 Views

One never knows. nossy - 15/08/2011 07:15:21 PM 683 Views

I think he is aiming for Vice Pres *NM* Nolan - 17/08/2011 06:44:59 PM 309 Views

Works good for signs: "We Want Plenty of Romney/Pawlenty" *NM* TaskmasterJack - 17/08/2011 10:08:11 PM 300 Views

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<quote id="220985">It's a very skewed sampling of a very unrepresentative state and the votes are practically bought.  If anyone wanted to pay enough money, he (or in this case, she) could come out on top.

The reason Romney and Perry ignored it in their own ways (and, in the case of Perry, snubbed it by stealing the press over it) is because as front-runners they don't need to waste the money to buy the straw poll.  It was only important for candidates who were considered nobodys, because a straw poll win will give them some free press for a few days as the 24-hour news channels analyze to death the most irrelevant piece of political news out there.

The simple fact is that Romney is the strongest Republican candidate, followed by Perry, and one of the two of them will end up going up against Obama.  Whether or not that person wins will probably have a hell of a lot to do with what the economy and jobs situation looks like, because it will be a referendum on the do-nothing President rather than a vote "for" the other candidate for a lot of voters (particularly independents).

I support Romney, but I could hold my nose and vote for Perry despite his social conservatism.  If neither of them wins (and assuming no one better, like Christie, jumps into the race) I will just not vote rather than give a vote to anyone else.  Maybe I'll write my own name in as a write-in.  I'm old enough to be President.</quote>
You realize that Perrys much touted "job creation" record boils down to

1) A lot of people whose major qualification is the ability to ask "Do you want fries with that?" and

2) a lot of government jobs at the new (in many cases, duplicate) state agencies he created, which have been insulated from budget cuts in other states by the fact the Texas Legislature only meets every other year.

In the latter case, by the time Perry has to run hard for the GOP nomination, his chief merit, job creation, is likely to have evaporated when the next Legislative session axes government jobs to offset budget shortfalls as other states have.  Meanwhile, while conservative Texas RAFOlk may not share that fear, even <a href="http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/08/04/some_question_perrys_electability.html">state GOP chairman worry that Perry will reek of Bush to the rest of the nation</a>.  Not that it matters, because the corporate (i.e. important) "wing" of the party is so solidly behind Romney that <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60776.html">they even create new corporations for the sake of anonymously donating a million dollars to his campaign</a> (incidentally doing an end run around the limits on donations by ACTUAL "people"<i></i>).  Romney's your nominee, and probably our next President; I assume he won't be in office long before we find out if he's the anti-abortion, pro-gun, anti-tax presidential candidate or the pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro-tax MA governor.  Maybe I should start a pool.... :rolleyes:

Not that ANY of it matters because, even though Obama consistently leads all Republican candidates by a fair margin (double digits over anyone but Romney), if there's one thing the "Hope and Change" candidate has proven it's that you get your corporate President no matter what because those are the only ones running; all we're debating now is which one of them gets the honor.  Like I say, enjoy your second "one time" corporate tax holiday, because, Democratic Senate and "socialist" President notwithstanding, I think it's only a matter of months until it becomes law yet again.  If you have any doubts about the real score, bear in mind this is the same "small government" GOP that didn't stop at slashing taxes for the major donors, but ran up $4 trillion worth of new debt invading two sovereign nations and passed the "USA PATRIOT" Act to silence its critics.
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