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They call it "martial law" for a reason. Joel Send a noteboard - 09/08/2011 02:30:40 AM
And reports of magazines being looted from convenience stores

It is turning into A Clockwork Orange out there at the moment - they're just smashing things, burning them and stealing for the sake of it. The police didn't have enough people to cope last night, they should have got the army out already I think.



Everyone would be saying they responded far too heavily, what is this the middle east etc...

Also the army enforce peace by firing live rounds, they aren't trained for riot duty without it.

It's all a total no-win situation.

I'm trying not to play the "everyone else should do like America because we've already been through anything they experience" game, but this really does look like the Rodney King riots all over again, and cops didn't end that, the National Guard did, in tanks and armed with automatic rifles. The cops were overwhelmed, and a lasting complaint of business owners (some of whom defended their livelihoods with their own automatic rifles) was that they repeatedly called police who never showed. In the infamous case of Reginald Denny, who was pulled from his vehicle and nearly beaten to death by rioters, cops had been ordered out of the area because it was unsafe. I don't know the law in Britain, except that it can be very different than in the US, but in Americas it's common knowledge that, during a riot, looters can and will be shot on sight. Send in the army and let them deal with this, because the police don't have the manpower or equipment to deal with a mass uprising.
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London - 08/08/2011 12:08:35 PM 1922 Views
i freaked out when i heard about that - 08/08/2011 02:09:10 PM 1146 Views
Re: i freaked out when i heard about that - 08/08/2011 02:47:16 PM 995 Views
It's pretty scary. - 08/08/2011 02:19:51 PM 1023 Views
I found it somewhat last night, having a sister who lives in Brixton - 08/08/2011 02:50:57 PM 1034 Views
I'm sure the media will manage to blame the police somehow - 08/08/2011 03:11:40 PM 937 Views
I've been following the story. - 08/08/2011 03:26:51 PM 983 Views
I cannot quite make out what is going on - 08/08/2011 03:27:57 PM 1142 Views
No, that's about it as far as we know - 08/08/2011 03:40:15 PM 1171 Views
Re: I cannot quite make out what is going on - 08/08/2011 03:40:21 PM 1035 Views
Continue to use live ammunition until no one is protesting. *NM* - 08/08/2011 03:53:50 PM 532 Views
Sounds good to me *NM* - 08/08/2011 04:06:04 PM 514 Views
Given what has been reported - 08/08/2011 04:07:13 PM 1092 Views
So, did the original suspect have a gun/fire bullets? - 09/08/2011 04:19:16 PM 1075 Views
Had a gun, didn't fire - 09/08/2011 06:51:54 PM 1010 Views
Not actually true - 09/08/2011 07:01:33 PM 982 Views
Seems it isn't exactly but I'm not sure your reply is 100% true either - 09/08/2011 07:27:00 PM 1086 Views
Now that's a good point - 09/08/2011 07:45:26 PM 1044 Views
I think with both they're putting disclaimers in - 09/08/2011 08:56:17 PM 1091 Views
There's no evidence he didn't fire? Imagine that. - 09/08/2011 11:22:05 PM 990 Views
He's saying the evidence available is inconclusive either way. - 09/08/2011 11:37:06 PM 1059 Views
Fair enough. - 09/08/2011 11:56:16 PM 1112 Views
There are various proofs - 10/08/2011 12:06:41 AM 1001 Views
True, but if tests are inconclusive rather than merely incomplete those proofs may not be available. - 10/08/2011 12:47:34 AM 1031 Views
Bullshit - 10/08/2011 01:12:46 AM 894 Views
If that's the case it's hard to say they overreacted. - 10/08/2011 01:22:45 AM 893 Views
I do see why it matters if he fired or not - 10/08/2011 12:46:12 AM 952 Views
Though if he had a gun, in a sock, not drawn... - 10/08/2011 01:50:05 AM 1002 Views
sadly the rioters didn't wait for facts - 10/08/2011 02:56:46 AM 1134 Views
They've announced that the "unknown" gun was never fired - 10/08/2011 02:04:26 PM 985 Views
So? Are the police supposed to let him get the first shot? *NM* - 10/08/2011 03:15:59 PM 540 Views
...said Gaddafi. *NM* - 10/08/2011 12:11:31 AM 512 Views
And?... *NM* - 10/08/2011 12:17:51 AM 486 Views
Last time I checked, you guys have a vote. First past the post, sure, but it's still a vote. - 10/08/2011 04:33:07 AM 971 Views
Is there any other country that has a death penalty for children caught stealing? *NM* - 10/08/2011 10:02:56 AM 537 Views
Maybe not, but we can hope there is... *NM* - 10/08/2011 02:04:38 PM 475 Views
You can hope there is. - 10/08/2011 02:21:17 PM 988 Views
...you guys need a poster named Tam, and a sitcom, stat. *NM* - 10/08/2011 05:11:57 PM 528 Views
+1 - 10/08/2011 05:17:22 PM 998 Views
LMAO *NM* - 10/08/2011 06:22:11 PM 525 Views
If you want to talk statistics... - 13/08/2011 08:26:39 PM 948 Views
So the death penalty is a deterrent for the crimes it doesn't apply to, but not for those it does? - 14/08/2011 10:58:14 AM 1131 Views
No, that wasn't my point. - 14/08/2011 09:39:14 PM 1108 Views
light yagami felt the same way - 14/08/2011 01:20:02 PM 1096 Views
Please speak English. *NM* - 14/08/2011 09:39:46 PM 525 Views
They think they have a good reason for what they're doing - 10/08/2011 11:48:52 AM 948 Views
If they react even more indignantly to a harsh crackdown, maybe they do. - 10/08/2011 02:06:04 PM 869 Views
Oh? - 10/08/2011 04:05:55 PM 1057 Views
This is the first I've heard of it; here's hoping and praying the damage is restricted to property - 08/08/2011 06:59:06 PM 1040 Views
I am sure - 09/08/2011 06:34:40 PM 1038 Views
I don't recall mentioning any of those groups in connection with this. - 09/08/2011 07:29:01 PM 946 Views
You will. *NM* - 10/08/2011 12:14:22 AM 500 Views
This is utterly awful. - 08/08/2011 09:41:46 PM 1099 Views
Yeah - it has massively spread today. Just saw footage of youths looting a Sainburys in Birmingham - 08/08/2011 09:52:32 PM 1028 Views
And if they had got the army out - 08/08/2011 09:57:40 PM 1009 Views
That's true. - 08/08/2011 10:03:03 PM 993 Views
pfft - 08/08/2011 10:23:37 PM 960 Views
I think the vast majority of people would be just fine with it - 08/08/2011 10:08:34 PM 1149 Views
They call it "martial law" for a reason. - 09/08/2011 02:30:40 AM 1000 Views
Might work in the US - 09/08/2011 02:13:50 PM 1032 Views
When most of the looters are kids I can see how that would be problematic. - 09/08/2011 05:18:09 PM 1010 Views
Joel I don't believe any looters were shot in the Rodney King riots - 09/08/2011 05:41:44 PM 980 Views
Police were, from what I understand, hard to find during those riots. - 09/08/2011 05:51:11 PM 987 Views
I am just questioning the logic of the debate taking place here - 09/08/2011 06:33:11 PM 942 Views
Your notoriously faulty memory is by far the lesser problem here. - 09/08/2011 07:14:07 PM 1252 Views
That article supports my argument - 09/08/2011 08:55:15 PM 909 Views
OK I blame the site for this random double post. I hit submit once. - 09/08/2011 08:55:17 PM 956 Views
I can't really argue with anything you've said here, so I won't try. - 09/08/2011 11:11:17 PM 1096 Views
so now you are comparing the rioters to the Tea Party? I guess dartboard was almost right - 10/08/2011 12:51:46 AM 1025 Views
I'm comparing alienation to alienation and noting that it's pervasive. - 10/08/2011 01:19:49 AM 1090 Views
and I am saying you have no idea who the tea party is - 10/08/2011 03:06:15 AM 974 Views
I guess I should've used the Progressive Caucus instead. - 10/08/2011 04:25:30 PM 1047 Views
Seriously, is it mostly kids? - 08/08/2011 10:08:00 PM 934 Views
They don't have parents - 08/08/2011 10:10:07 PM 1134 Views
A hell of a lot seem to be - 08/08/2011 10:12:21 PM 1000 Views
I'd be tempted to go down there with a cattle prod. - 08/08/2011 10:14:14 PM 1065 Views
I think there might be too many of them - 08/08/2011 10:23:05 PM 987 Views
If that link still isn't working, try here - 08/08/2011 10:29:19 PM 943 Views
its getting absolutely mental - 08/08/2011 10:21:32 PM 982 Views
Congratulations Ken Livingstone - 08/08/2011 11:44:29 PM 1022 Views
Agree on the first part - 09/08/2011 01:05:01 PM 1030 Views
Um... This is the first I've read / heard about it - 09/08/2011 03:43:02 AM 953 Views
Looks a bit like a post-apocalyptic sci-fi movie - 09/08/2011 06:38:59 AM 1030 Views
Apparently that's a surprisingly common error. - 09/08/2011 12:34:30 PM 1040 Views
Horrible - 09/08/2011 11:18:21 AM 911 Views
Yes - 09/08/2011 12:55:00 PM 1091 Views
Tumblr blog where ppl are submitting pictures of the looters - 09/08/2011 12:49:39 PM 953 Views
People have set up the same thing on Facebook and flickr as well - 09/08/2011 01:23:42 PM 1007 Views
... - 09/08/2011 04:12:55 PM 994 Views
Before and after pictures of buildings/businesses from BBC - 09/08/2011 02:12:24 PM 1141 Views
Holy crap, what is wrong with those people?? - 09/08/2011 02:23:39 PM 963 Views
how does 'they are brainless idiots' grab you? *NM* - 09/08/2011 05:03:51 PM 435 Views
What's with that last picture set? - 09/08/2011 04:39:53 PM 1011 Views
Never figured the Iranian government for having much of a sense of hunour, - 09/08/2011 02:26:01 PM 1071 Views
The hypocricy there is mind-boggling. *NM* - 09/08/2011 05:03:28 PM 459 Views
I imagine that's the point. - 09/08/2011 05:33:09 PM 1135 Views
That was my take on it as well - 09/08/2011 07:03:51 PM 1049 Views
Re: That was my take on it as well - 11/08/2011 11:32:12 AM 1093 Views
*sprays water over laptop screen* - 09/08/2011 05:07:07 PM 995 Views
lol wow...that was a bit much *NM* - 09/08/2011 05:26:33 PM 446 Views
To be fair - 09/08/2011 06:24:58 PM 1258 Views
You make a fair point. - 09/08/2011 07:05:26 PM 927 Views
Send in the army! - 09/08/2011 11:37:15 PM 911 Views
That is just lovely. *NM* - 11/08/2011 11:27:34 AM 466 Views
Remember you're a womble! - 09/08/2011 06:49:52 PM 1005 Views
Yes - 09/08/2011 07:09:35 PM 1043 Views
Re: Yes - 09/08/2011 07:32:18 PM 997 Views
i can see the smoke from the sony factory fire out of my bedroom window - 09/08/2011 07:21:08 PM 1028 Views
This is all quite... surreal. It's hard to believe. - 09/08/2011 08:54:57 PM 958 Views
The surreal thing is London is still full of tourists who seem to not have a care in the world - 09/08/2011 09:03:11 PM 956 Views
Well, it's not really anti-foreigner sentiment, is it? - 10/08/2011 01:57:55 AM 1041 Views
Not yet but then it isn't pro either - 10/08/2011 10:25:13 AM 1022 Views
I'm flying to the midlands tomorrow. - 10/08/2011 07:35:28 AM 994 Views
It seems to be only happening in the evenings and at night. - 10/08/2011 10:59:55 AM 912 Views
I have been keeping an eye on it; we have friends in Highbury - 10/08/2011 05:07:16 AM 1105 Views
Re: I have been keeping an eye on it; we have friends in Highbury - 10/08/2011 10:47:46 AM 1103 Views
Oi!!! - 11/08/2011 04:40:04 AM 1166 Views
Aussie, Aussie? - 11/08/2011 11:50:47 AM 1079 Views
I saw Nick Griffin's twitter last night - 10/08/2011 12:23:01 PM 960 Views
Yeah, I saw he had been. He's a great little scum bag - 10/08/2011 12:47:34 PM 1064 Views
*dual facepalm* - 10/08/2011 02:45:03 PM 1017 Views
Effing EDL - 10/08/2011 09:28:41 PM 1067 Views
I liked this blog - 11/08/2011 11:29:42 AM 978 Views
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