This is the first I've heard of it; here's hoping and praying the damage is restricted to property
Joel Send a noteboard - 08/08/2011 06:59:06 PM
I don't know how much coverage it has had abroad but London's had rioting and looting the over the last two nights in some areas of the city. All very ugly and it is looking like no one is going to come out of this looking good.
Seems a safe bet. Nothing the police did or didn't do justifies torching and looting homes and businesses that belong to your neighbors. That greatly undermines support for any legitimate greivances the community might have, and a police force impotent against widespread rioting and destruction isn't a great argument for curtailing police power. Again, this is the first I've heard of it so I don't want to leap to premature conclusions, but on the surface it reminds me a lot of the L.A. riots after the Rodney King beating: Police (possibly) use excessive force against a criminal member of a disenfranchised community, the community demands justice, the police dismiss their demands, so the community responds with an orgy of self destruction that rapidly ceases to be about justice and descends into mass robbery and arson perpetrated against their own neighbors.
No good can come of this so, once again, I can only hope the harm is as limited as possible at this point and order soon restored. No matter how many times I see a wounded community inflict more self abuse on itself I'll never understand it. It doesn't improve community living standards or make police more patient or less forceful. It only lowers living standards by destroying huge swathes of homes and businesses, as well as discouraging shopping and investment. Meanwhile police are encouraged to instantly and ruthlessly clamp down on the first sign of potential trouble, with the full support of a nation in whose mind the images of smoldering city blocks remain fresh. Way to make the worst of a bad situation, folks. Staying inside until calm returns sounds like a good idea, and may the damage be minimal, unlikely as that appears.
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08/08/2011 12:08:35 PM
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It's pretty scary.
08/08/2011 02:19:51 PM
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I found it somewhat last night, having a sister who lives in Brixton
08/08/2011 02:50:57 PM
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Continue to use live ammunition until no one is protesting. *NM*
08/08/2011 03:53:50 PM
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Sounds good to me *NM*
08/08/2011 04:06:04 PM
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Okay, bored of these riots now, time for the police to follow 10CCs example...
08/08/2011 09:28:36 PM
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Given what has been reported
08/08/2011 04:07:13 PM
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So, did the original suspect have a gun/fire bullets?
09/08/2011 04:19:16 PM
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Had a gun, didn't fire
09/08/2011 06:51:54 PM
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Not actually true
09/08/2011 07:01:33 PM
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Seems it isn't exactly but I'm not sure your reply is 100% true either
09/08/2011 07:27:00 PM
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There's no evidence he didn't fire? Imagine that.
09/08/2011 11:22:05 PM
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He's saying the evidence available is inconclusive either way.
09/08/2011 11:37:06 PM
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Fair enough.
09/08/2011 11:56:16 PM
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There are various proofs
10/08/2011 12:06:41 AM
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True, but if tests are inconclusive rather than merely incomplete those proofs may not be available.
10/08/2011 12:47:34 AM
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I do see why it matters if he fired or not
10/08/2011 12:46:12 AM
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Again, I don't know the British standard, so I can only guess how it works.
10/08/2011 12:54:20 AM
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Though if he had a gun, in a sock, not drawn...
10/08/2011 01:50:05 AM
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sadly the rioters didn't wait for facts
10/08/2011 02:56:46 AM
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...said Gaddafi. *NM*
10/08/2011 12:11:31 AM
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And?... *NM*
10/08/2011 12:17:51 AM
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And we just went to war with him because he was shooting people in the street.
10/08/2011 09:56:07 AM
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Last time I checked, you guys have a vote. First past the post, sure, but it's still a vote.
10/08/2011 04:33:07 AM
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Is there any other country that has a death penalty for children caught stealing? *NM*
10/08/2011 10:02:56 AM
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Maybe not, but we can hope there is... *NM*
10/08/2011 02:04:38 PM
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You can hope there is.
10/08/2011 02:21:17 PM
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...you guys need a poster named Tam, and a sitcom, stat. *NM*
10/08/2011 05:11:57 PM
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Wibble is called Tam (Scots) or Tom (English), and used to go by dragon_tam.
10/08/2011 05:27:16 PM
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If you want to talk statistics...
13/08/2011 08:26:39 PM
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So the death penalty is a deterrent for the crimes it doesn't apply to, but not for those it does?
14/08/2011 10:58:14 AM
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They think they have a good reason for what they're doing
10/08/2011 11:48:52 AM
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If they react even more indignantly to a harsh crackdown, maybe they do.
10/08/2011 02:06:04 PM
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This is the first I've heard of it; here's hoping and praying the damage is restricted to property
08/08/2011 06:59:06 PM
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I am sure
09/08/2011 06:34:40 PM
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I don't recall mentioning any of those groups in connection with this.
09/08/2011 07:29:01 PM
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You will. *NM*
10/08/2011 12:14:22 AM
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I've had plenty of opportunites and still didn't, even when rt practically teed one up for me.
10/08/2011 12:25:09 AM
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This is utterly awful.
08/08/2011 09:41:46 PM
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Yeah - it has massively spread today. Just saw footage of youths looting a Sainburys in Birmingham
08/08/2011 09:52:32 PM
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And if they had got the army out
08/08/2011 09:57:40 PM
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They call it "martial law" for a reason.
09/08/2011 02:30:40 AM
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Might work in the US
09/08/2011 02:13:50 PM
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When most of the looters are kids I can see how that would be problematic.
09/08/2011 05:18:09 PM
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Joel I don't believe any looters were shot in the Rodney King riots
09/08/2011 05:41:44 PM
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Police were, from what I understand, hard to find during those riots.
09/08/2011 05:51:11 PM
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I am just questioning the logic of the debate taking place here
09/08/2011 06:33:11 PM
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Your notoriously faulty memory is by far the lesser problem here.
09/08/2011 07:14:07 PM
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OK I blame the site for this random double post. I hit submit once.
09/08/2011 08:55:17 PM
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I can't really argue with anything you've said here, so I won't try.
09/08/2011 11:11:17 PM
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so now you are comparing the rioters to the Tea Party? I guess dartboard was almost right
10/08/2011 12:51:46 AM
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I'm comparing alienation to alienation and noting that it's pervasive.
10/08/2011 01:19:49 AM
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Seriously, is it mostly kids?
08/08/2011 10:08:00 PM
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A hell of a lot seem to be
08/08/2011 10:12:21 PM
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I know that if I had ever participated in anything like that, my mother would have kicked my ass.
09/08/2011 08:48:09 PM
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Tumblr blog where ppl are submitting pictures of the looters
09/08/2011 12:49:39 PM
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People have set up the same thing on Facebook and flickr as well
09/08/2011 01:23:42 PM
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Before and after pictures of buildings/businesses from BBC
09/08/2011 02:12:24 PM
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Never figured the Iranian government for having much of a sense of hunour,
09/08/2011 02:26:01 PM
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The hypocricy there is mind-boggling. *NM*
09/08/2011 05:03:28 PM
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I imagine that's the point.
09/08/2011 05:33:09 PM
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To be fair
09/08/2011 06:24:58 PM
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i can see the smoke from the sony factory fire out of my bedroom window
09/08/2011 07:21:08 PM
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This is all quite... surreal. It's hard to believe.
09/08/2011 08:54:57 PM
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The surreal thing is London is still full of tourists who seem to not have a care in the world
09/08/2011 09:03:11 PM
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She has a grandson to meet for the first time, then she's off traveling with a friend.
10/08/2011 03:27:37 AM
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Well to clarify, it isn't that I think it is very unsafe just not a good time to go somewhere
10/08/2011 10:19:03 AM
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I have been keeping an eye on it; we have friends in Highbury
10/08/2011 05:07:16 AM
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Re: I have been keeping an eye on it; we have friends in Highbury
10/08/2011 10:47:46 AM
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