Natural Selection is the pressure put on a specie in an environment to survive. Animals with traits that are beneficial to the environment
Here I have to break in and ask: how does one know that a specific trait is beneficial to the environment?
can live longer and potentially contribute more to the gene pool. Animals with detrimental traits will live shorter lives and potentially contribute less to the gene pool.
This part seems to be oke
With these two influences, a specie's gene pool will, over time, be more beneficial to survival in that specific environment. It may not be enough to cause a deviation from specie (after all, look at the range of phenotype among humans), but it will be enough to increase the survival rate for that population.
Nothing intrinsically "wrong" with this part, but it is interesting none the less, since if you ask me, this part of your definition goes beond wat NS is, strictly speaking, and goes on to discuss the result.
There is however something else going on here, first you speak of "beneficial to the environment" (and I asked what that is), and here you say that the result is that it is beneficial to survival and even an increased survival rate for a population.
Now you make it a bit more complicated by importing the notion of a gene pool (a concept I think I understand), but something would be wrong here, if the book I'm reading is to be believed.
For you go from "beneficial to the enivronment" to "living longer/reproducing more often/contributing to the gene pool" (doesn't really matter how you label the 2nd step), to "increased survival rate".
Now first I asked you to define what you meant by "beneficial to the environment". Do you have a definition or perhaps an example?
Now, again: how would you know it is beneficial?
By the result, right? That is: if it helps to "increase the survival rate".
But if "increase of the survival rate" is the way to determine whether something is "beneficial to the environment", then the two are equal. By definition.
Hence we have a tautology.
A tautology is true (by definition), but it is not scientific in the sense that it can be tested.
I would be interested in hearing what he discussed. I'm trying to think of how one would discuss Natural Selection "philosophically", unless one is talking about cultural selection and natural selection in a society. Even then. I think that's more of a "borrowing" of the term than a true application.
I hope my repetition/application of what I think is his argument made sense to you
Natural selection
06/08/2011 03:51:26 PM
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selection for suitability
06/08/2011 04:18:51 PM
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Thanks for your responce
06/08/2011 04:41:20 PM
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I can't speak for LadyLorraine and won't try, but here's how I see it:
06/08/2011 06:49:49 PM
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Just a question
06/08/2011 07:18:09 PM
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Yes it can
06/08/2011 07:41:59 PM
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But how?
06/08/2011 07:52:10 PM
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Re: Just a question
06/08/2011 07:49:21 PM
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I'm not sure I understand you
06/08/2011 08:20:44 PM
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All tautologies are truisms, but not all truisms are tautologies.
06/08/2011 09:38:12 PM
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Then it is still a tautology
06/08/2011 09:45:33 PM
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You can know it's beneifical to a particular individual, but it's harder to say for populations.
06/08/2011 10:18:16 PM
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Maybe...
07/08/2011 01:55:54 PM
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I'm more inclined toward his logic, but possibly toward your conclusions.
09/08/2011 12:45:46 AM
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we can't really know ahead of time what makes a specific trait benefical in that environment
09/08/2011 06:16:02 PM
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As I understand it
06/08/2011 06:04:44 PM
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Better...
06/08/2011 06:36:38 PM
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Did you perhaps mean "beneficial in the environment" rather than "beneficial to the environment"?
06/08/2011 06:34:44 PM
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yes. I did not really phrase that very clearly. *NM*
09/08/2011 06:14:11 PM
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No biggy; from what Bram said, I underestimated how well you were understood anyway.
09/08/2011 06:45:16 PM
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Hmmm... there's some truth to that
06/08/2011 06:36:35 PM
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The complexity of the problem makes it all but impossible to falsify...
06/08/2011 08:26:06 PM
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The questions go deeper
06/08/2011 08:38:31 PM
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Re: The questions go deeper
06/08/2011 09:10:32 PM
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I think I know why you don't understand my question.
06/08/2011 09:38:41 PM
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How many equation's has Moraine screwed up? *NM*
06/08/2011 09:45:36 PM
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100% I think Moriaine is a very beneficial trait that contributes a lot to the RAFO pool *NM*
06/08/2011 09:46:54 PM
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Re: Natural selection
07/08/2011 03:00:30 AM
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Thanks a lot
07/08/2011 01:38:39 PM
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2 things
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Re: 2 things
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Re: 2 things
07/08/2011 05:48:26 PM
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My best guess
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Re: My best guess
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Re: My best guess
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