Because the point of life isn't really at issue.
From conception, there is life. Living...growing...reproducing cells. Whether or not it is a person could be a debate point.
~Jeordam
From conception, there is life. Living...growing...reproducing cells. Whether or not it is a person could be a debate point.
~Jeordam
You just answered your own question, which I guess makes it rhetorical:
"What else could the debate be about?"
"Whether or not it is a person could be a debate point. "
I agree that "life" is a somewhat ambiguous term (though the context of Justice Blackmuns opinion and the rest of its text make pretty clear he was talking about a being, not cells in a petri dish, as does saying, "the babys life, " rather than just "life" ). Whether or not it is a person is most definitely a debate point; in many ways it is THE debate point, because whether or not one considers abortion acceptable often hinges entirely on whether and when one considers the fetus a human being rather than a lump of nonsentient cells. Otherwise we'd have to debate the legality of removing tumors and male masturbation, because those cells are every bit as much human life as any fetus; if sperm weren't alive no fetuses ever would be.
Another of the thing the debate could be about is whether the trauma of raising her rapists child, serious injury up to and including sterility or certain death, is simply a matter of "convenience" for a woman, or whether we're also talking about weighing her health or her very life against what may or may not be a baby.
Moving to other things I hadn't already stated the debate could be about when you asked, there's the old issue of whether laws against abortion actually prevent any of the, or simply means thousands of women are injured or killed along with fetuses during illegal and unsafe abortions.
There's three options, one of which I haven't already presented you with (in this thread; I do recall discussing it with you a few times at wotmania, and "they deserve death" still isn't an acceptable rebuttal).
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You can't make this stuff up: Helmet law protester dies in crash
05/07/2011 08:47:14 PM
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Kinda undermines his protest *NM*
05/07/2011 09:01:50 PM
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How so? He wasn't demanding the right to survive crashes when only a helmet makes that possible.
05/07/2011 11:06:44 PM
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New York feels that people should have to wear helmets for their own safety
05/07/2011 11:20:36 PM
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He felt his own safety was his own concern.
06/07/2011 12:07:05 AM
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Who do you think would have ended up paying for his care for the rest of his life if the accident
06/07/2011 01:08:49 AM
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The same people who pay for everyone else whose actions render them vegetables.
06/07/2011 01:50:20 AM
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Maybe a more effective argument you could use against me would be pointing out
06/07/2011 02:33:21 AM
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what a fricking idiot
05/07/2011 10:02:17 PM
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That's your opinion to which you're entitled.
05/07/2011 11:19:36 PM
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Anarchy, baby! *NM*
06/07/2011 12:58:23 AM
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Sorry, as an advocate of civil rights (which especially includes minorities) I oppose anarchy.
06/07/2011 01:18:19 AM
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The public's nose is on the line here too.
06/07/2011 01:47:08 AM
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So my increased ease of hearing/seeing vehicles and other hazards isn't worth $1200.
06/07/2011 02:25:53 AM
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I understand the pov, I had a BF who felt that same way. It's still much like childish defiance.
06/07/2011 01:26:15 AM
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In part it's a matter of principle, but if we really want to analyze it there's some deeper validity
06/07/2011 02:13:05 AM
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you keep spreading falsehoods, stop it please
06/07/2011 02:49:01 AM
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Sounds like your real argument is with the other bikers; I'm just reiterating their arguments.
06/07/2011 03:38:39 AM
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Uh Joel...
06/07/2011 03:38:24 AM
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Agreed, having others in the car does make a difference.
06/07/2011 03:47:53 AM
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Hence why your "I wouldn't wear a seatbelt in the back seat" comment didn't make a lot of sense
06/07/2011 07:38:50 PM
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Depends on whether the driver, rather than the law, is the one insisting.
06/07/2011 08:06:24 PM
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You'd place your own comfort over other people's safety?
06/07/2011 11:37:00 PM
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It's more a comfort issue than anything else; it's not solely one.
06/07/2011 11:56:28 PM
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Hold the phone here...
06/07/2011 07:49:10 PM
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+1 *NM*
06/07/2011 08:42:14 PM
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You agree with him that the abortion debate is about a mothers convenience versus the babys life?
06/07/2011 10:48:52 PM
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im not bringing abortion into this, its a separate issue *NM*
06/07/2011 10:56:17 PM
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It's really not.
07/07/2011 12:20:10 AM
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i'm really not
07/07/2011 03:34:23 PM
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Fine as far as it goes, but public/private only matters to the extent others are affected.
09/07/2011 11:15:33 AM
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What else could the debate be about?
06/07/2011 10:58:51 PM
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"The babys life", not just "life".
07/07/2011 12:18:02 AM
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Holding the phone here might be good, yes....
06/07/2011 10:33:46 PM
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See...that's the difference between you and me
06/07/2011 10:56:53 PM
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Apparently so; "completely anarchy as long as its regulated to one's body" sounds nonsensical to me.
06/07/2011 11:44:50 PM
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I'm with Joel. I always buckle up/helmet up, but I think such laws are asinine
06/07/2011 02:30:04 AM
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why not just ban motorcycles all together, they are much more dangerous than cars
06/07/2011 05:39:51 PM
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Helmets help save lives. 'Onest.
07/07/2011 04:40:42 PM
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So do not smoking, eating right and regular exercise, but we haven't made them mandatory.
09/07/2011 11:04:58 AM
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