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Maybe a more effective argument you could use against me would be pointing out Tashmere Send a noteboard - 06/07/2011 02:33:21 AM
how many people have babies accidently and everyone ends up paying for it.

Oh well at least what you said got me thinking about other stupid things people do that society ends up paying for. Took a little of the wind out of my sails.
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You can't make this stuff up: Helmet law protester dies in crash Dark Knight - 05/07/2011 08:47:14 PM 873 Views
Kinda undermines his protest *NM* snoopcester - 05/07/2011 09:01:50 PM 256 Views
Just a tad bit *NM* Dark Knight - 05/07/2011 09:06:24 PM 233 Views
How so? He wasn't demanding the right to survive crashes when only a helmet makes that possible. Joel - 05/07/2011 11:06:44 PM 545 Views
New York feels that people should have to wear helmets for their own safety snoopcester - 05/07/2011 11:20:36 PM 518 Views
He felt his own safety was his own concern. Joel - 06/07/2011 12:07:05 AM 457 Views
Who do you think would have ended up paying for his care for the rest of his life if the accident Tashmere - 06/07/2011 01:08:49 AM 603 Views
The same people who pay for everyone else whose actions render them vegetables. Joel - 06/07/2011 01:50:20 AM 712 Views
Maybe a more effective argument you could use against me would be pointing out Tashmere - 06/07/2011 02:33:21 AM 507 Views
Yeah, that is a better example. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:03:01 AM 488 Views
Oops, ignore! *NM* eucatastrophe - 06/07/2011 11:44:10 PM 307 Views
Now, who said irony wasn't funny? *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 05/07/2011 09:22:58 PM 364 Views
what a fricking idiot Yunalesca - 05/07/2011 10:02:17 PM 686 Views
That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Joel - 05/07/2011 11:19:36 PM 927 Views
Anarchy, baby! *NM* Dark Knight - 06/07/2011 12:58:23 AM 464 Views
Sorry, as an advocate of civil rights (which especially includes minorities) I oppose anarchy. Joel - 06/07/2011 01:18:19 AM 586 Views
The public's nose is on the line here too. Tashmere - 06/07/2011 01:47:08 AM 644 Views
So my increased ease of hearing/seeing vehicles and other hazards isn't worth $1200. Joel - 06/07/2011 02:25:53 AM 648 Views
I understand the pov, I had a BF who felt that same way. It's still much like childish defiance. Avendesora - 06/07/2011 01:26:15 AM 748 Views
In part it's a matter of principle, but if we really want to analyze it there's some deeper validity Joel - 06/07/2011 02:13:05 AM 613 Views
you keep spreading falsehoods, stop it please moondog - 06/07/2011 02:49:01 AM 786 Views
Sounds like your real argument is with the other bikers; I'm just reiterating their arguments. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:38:39 AM 713 Views
It's not "much like" childish defiance. It IS. *NM* eucatastrophe - 06/07/2011 11:45:05 PM 415 Views
Uh Joel... ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 03:38:24 AM 543 Views
Agreed, having others in the car does make a difference. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:47:53 AM 626 Views
Hence why your "I wouldn't wear a seatbelt in the back seat" comment didn't make a lot of sense ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:38:50 PM 588 Views
Depends on whether the driver, rather than the law, is the one insisting. Joel - 06/07/2011 08:06:24 PM 459 Views
You'd place your own comfort over other people's safety? ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 11:37:00 PM 496 Views
It's more a comfort issue than anything else; it's not solely one. Joel - 06/07/2011 11:56:28 PM 974 Views
Sorry, but that doesn't make sense ironclad - 06/07/2011 07:02:33 PM 744 Views
Yes it does ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:32:54 PM 487 Views
how many people are really seriously injured that way? random thoughts - 06/07/2011 07:15:16 PM 707 Views
Did you actually read my post? ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:36:13 PM 608 Views
my ex had 3 cracked ribs from an accident like that moondog - 07/07/2011 02:46:07 AM 650 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 05:18:12 PM 708 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Joel - 06/07/2011 06:13:44 PM 775 Views
Hold the phone here... Jeordam - 06/07/2011 07:49:10 PM 874 Views
+1 *NM* Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 08:42:14 PM 322 Views
You agree with him that the abortion debate is about a mothers convenience versus the babys life? Joel - 06/07/2011 10:48:52 PM 613 Views
im not bringing abortion into this, its a separate issue *NM* Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 10:56:17 PM 308 Views
It's really not. Joel - 07/07/2011 12:20:10 AM 644 Views
i'm really not Yunalesca - 07/07/2011 03:34:23 PM 717 Views
Fine as far as it goes, but public/private only matters to the extent others are affected. Joel - 09/07/2011 11:15:33 AM 681 Views
What else could the debate be about? Jeordam - 06/07/2011 10:58:51 PM 579 Views
"The babys life", not just "life". Joel - 07/07/2011 12:18:02 AM 906 Views
Holding the phone here might be good, yes.... Joel - 06/07/2011 10:33:46 PM 701 Views
See...that's the difference between you and me Jeordam - 06/07/2011 10:56:53 PM 804 Views
Apparently so; "completely anarchy as long as its regulated to one's body" sounds nonsensical to me. Joel - 06/07/2011 11:44:50 PM 807 Views
I think I could make that up. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 05/07/2011 11:41:00 PM 257 Views
Smartass *NM* Dark Knight - 06/07/2011 12:57:22 AM 262 Views
I'm with Joel. I always buckle up/helmet up, but I think such laws are asinine beetnemesis - 06/07/2011 02:30:04 AM 470 Views
why not just ban motorcycles all together, they are much more dangerous than cars random thoughts - 06/07/2011 05:39:51 PM 484 Views
Helmets help save lives. 'Onest. Two Wongs - 07/07/2011 04:40:42 PM 646 Views
So do not smoking, eating right and regular exercise, but we haven't made them mandatory. Joel - 09/07/2011 11:04:58 AM 655 Views
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