In part it's a matter of principle, but if we really want to analyze it there's some deeper validity
Joel Send a noteboard - 06/07/2011 02:13:05 AM
He understood the safety issue. He would not wear a seatbelt or a helmet, just to protest nanny state laws. I basically told him to grow up. He desrved every ticket he got. There shouldn't be a law for adults but there is. All these arguments for rights in those two cases have a little bit of merit but seem very whiney and childish. This incident just proved the point even more so.
Like the old debate over whether it's better to be thrown clear of an accident or strapped in by a seat belt so you aren't injured by the collision itself. IN GENERAL, the odds favor the latter, but I don't think it's right for one group, even if it happens to be a minority, to make that decision for others. If I or a loved one happened to be one of those people trapped in a burning car when a seatbelt clasp was crushed or crushed under a vehicle when the impact would have thrown me into a nearby meadow you'll never convince me that my dad or kids life was worth the STATISTICAL benefit to society at large. Decisions like that are judgement calls, and since most of the immediate consequences, and nearly all the most severe ones, will be born by the individual directly involved, I think it should be their call.
You can't tell me that a biker with his eyes behind a visor and his ears tucked in a helmet has as much road awareness as a bareheaded one, and the smaller and quicker the vehicle the easier it becomes to avoid accidents than survive them. When a biker wrecks, unless he's going pretty slow his ability to surf is often more important than the thickest jacket or helmet in the world. Stuff like that is why you'll never catch me on a bike; riding with a helmet is like smoking with a filter--except one of them is still legal (for now... ). If a biker prefers the added protection of a helmet, more power to him/her, with my blessing--but if, as a lot of them do, he finds my logic more compelling that should also be fine. There are risks either way, just different ones; the only thing they have in common is that the greatest ones are born by the biker, so that's who should decide which ones are more acceptable.
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You can't make this stuff up: Helmet law protester dies in crash
05/07/2011 08:47:14 PM
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Kinda undermines his protest *NM*
05/07/2011 09:01:50 PM
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How so? He wasn't demanding the right to survive crashes when only a helmet makes that possible.
05/07/2011 11:06:44 PM
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New York feels that people should have to wear helmets for their own safety
05/07/2011 11:20:36 PM
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He felt his own safety was his own concern.
06/07/2011 12:07:05 AM
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Who do you think would have ended up paying for his care for the rest of his life if the accident
06/07/2011 01:08:49 AM
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The same people who pay for everyone else whose actions render them vegetables.
06/07/2011 01:50:20 AM
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Maybe a more effective argument you could use against me would be pointing out
06/07/2011 02:33:21 AM
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what a fricking idiot
05/07/2011 10:02:17 PM
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That's your opinion to which you're entitled.
05/07/2011 11:19:36 PM
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Anarchy, baby! *NM*
06/07/2011 12:58:23 AM
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Sorry, as an advocate of civil rights (which especially includes minorities) I oppose anarchy.
06/07/2011 01:18:19 AM
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The public's nose is on the line here too.
06/07/2011 01:47:08 AM
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So my increased ease of hearing/seeing vehicles and other hazards isn't worth $1200.
06/07/2011 02:25:53 AM
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I understand the pov, I had a BF who felt that same way. It's still much like childish defiance.
06/07/2011 01:26:15 AM
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In part it's a matter of principle, but if we really want to analyze it there's some deeper validity
06/07/2011 02:13:05 AM
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you keep spreading falsehoods, stop it please
06/07/2011 02:49:01 AM
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Sounds like your real argument is with the other bikers; I'm just reiterating their arguments.
06/07/2011 03:38:39 AM
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Uh Joel...
06/07/2011 03:38:24 AM
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Agreed, having others in the car does make a difference.
06/07/2011 03:47:53 AM
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Hence why your "I wouldn't wear a seatbelt in the back seat" comment didn't make a lot of sense
06/07/2011 07:38:50 PM
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Depends on whether the driver, rather than the law, is the one insisting.
06/07/2011 08:06:24 PM
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You'd place your own comfort over other people's safety?
06/07/2011 11:37:00 PM
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It's more a comfort issue than anything else; it's not solely one.
06/07/2011 11:56:28 PM
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Hold the phone here...
06/07/2011 07:49:10 PM
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+1 *NM*
06/07/2011 08:42:14 PM
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You agree with him that the abortion debate is about a mothers convenience versus the babys life?
06/07/2011 10:48:52 PM
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im not bringing abortion into this, its a separate issue *NM*
06/07/2011 10:56:17 PM
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It's really not.
07/07/2011 12:20:10 AM
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i'm really not
07/07/2011 03:34:23 PM
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Fine as far as it goes, but public/private only matters to the extent others are affected.
09/07/2011 11:15:33 AM
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Holding the phone here might be good, yes....
06/07/2011 10:33:46 PM
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See...that's the difference between you and me
06/07/2011 10:56:53 PM
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Apparently so; "completely anarchy as long as its regulated to one's body" sounds nonsensical to me.
06/07/2011 11:44:50 PM
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I'm with Joel. I always buckle up/helmet up, but I think such laws are asinine
06/07/2011 02:30:04 AM
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why not just ban motorcycles all together, they are much more dangerous than cars
06/07/2011 05:39:51 PM
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Helmets help save lives. 'Onest.
07/07/2011 04:40:42 PM
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So do not smoking, eating right and regular exercise, but we haven't made them mandatory.
09/07/2011 11:04:58 AM
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