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Who do you think would have ended up paying for his care for the rest of his life if the accident Tashmere Send a noteboard - 06/07/2011 01:08:49 AM
resulted in his becoming a vegetable? Do you really think that he would have been able to pay for it if he would have ended up in the hospital for months and rehab for months after that? Do you know how it effects the driver and passengers involved in an accident with a motorcycle? How it effects the witnesses? I am good with a helmet law.

If they can get insurance that would cover those possibilities then it is their business and their business only.
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You can't make this stuff up: Helmet law protester dies in crash Dark Knight - 05/07/2011 08:47:14 PM 947 Views
Kinda undermines his protest *NM* snoopcester - 05/07/2011 09:01:50 PM 278 Views
Just a tad bit *NM* Dark Knight - 05/07/2011 09:06:24 PM 259 Views
How so? He wasn't demanding the right to survive crashes when only a helmet makes that possible. Joel - 05/07/2011 11:06:44 PM 607 Views
New York feels that people should have to wear helmets for their own safety snoopcester - 05/07/2011 11:20:36 PM 582 Views
He felt his own safety was his own concern. Joel - 06/07/2011 12:07:05 AM 511 Views
Who do you think would have ended up paying for his care for the rest of his life if the accident Tashmere - 06/07/2011 01:08:49 AM 664 Views
The same people who pay for everyone else whose actions render them vegetables. Joel - 06/07/2011 01:50:20 AM 785 Views
Maybe a more effective argument you could use against me would be pointing out Tashmere - 06/07/2011 02:33:21 AM 573 Views
Yeah, that is a better example. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:03:01 AM 546 Views
Oops, ignore! *NM* eucatastrophe - 06/07/2011 11:44:10 PM 340 Views
Now, who said irony wasn't funny? *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 05/07/2011 09:22:58 PM 397 Views
what a fricking idiot Yunalesca - 05/07/2011 10:02:17 PM 740 Views
That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Joel - 05/07/2011 11:19:36 PM 998 Views
Anarchy, baby! *NM* Dark Knight - 06/07/2011 12:58:23 AM 495 Views
Sorry, as an advocate of civil rights (which especially includes minorities) I oppose anarchy. Joel - 06/07/2011 01:18:19 AM 665 Views
The public's nose is on the line here too. Tashmere - 06/07/2011 01:47:08 AM 706 Views
So my increased ease of hearing/seeing vehicles and other hazards isn't worth $1200. Joel - 06/07/2011 02:25:53 AM 721 Views
I understand the pov, I had a BF who felt that same way. It's still much like childish defiance. Avendesora - 06/07/2011 01:26:15 AM 828 Views
In part it's a matter of principle, but if we really want to analyze it there's some deeper validity Joel - 06/07/2011 02:13:05 AM 677 Views
you keep spreading falsehoods, stop it please moondog - 06/07/2011 02:49:01 AM 851 Views
Sounds like your real argument is with the other bikers; I'm just reiterating their arguments. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:38:39 AM 775 Views
It's not "much like" childish defiance. It IS. *NM* eucatastrophe - 06/07/2011 11:45:05 PM 449 Views
Uh Joel... ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 03:38:24 AM 604 Views
Agreed, having others in the car does make a difference. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:47:53 AM 683 Views
Hence why your "I wouldn't wear a seatbelt in the back seat" comment didn't make a lot of sense ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:38:50 PM 654 Views
Depends on whether the driver, rather than the law, is the one insisting. Joel - 06/07/2011 08:06:24 PM 521 Views
You'd place your own comfort over other people's safety? ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 11:37:00 PM 559 Views
It's more a comfort issue than anything else; it's not solely one. Joel - 06/07/2011 11:56:28 PM 1037 Views
Sorry, but that doesn't make sense ironclad - 06/07/2011 07:02:33 PM 809 Views
Yes it does ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:32:54 PM 559 Views
how many people are really seriously injured that way? random thoughts - 06/07/2011 07:15:16 PM 776 Views
Did you actually read my post? ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:36:13 PM 678 Views
my ex had 3 cracked ribs from an accident like that moondog - 07/07/2011 02:46:07 AM 715 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 05:18:12 PM 767 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Joel - 06/07/2011 06:13:44 PM 838 Views
Hold the phone here... Jeordam - 06/07/2011 07:49:10 PM 962 Views
+1 *NM* Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 08:42:14 PM 344 Views
You agree with him that the abortion debate is about a mothers convenience versus the babys life? Joel - 06/07/2011 10:48:52 PM 683 Views
im not bringing abortion into this, its a separate issue *NM* Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 10:56:17 PM 335 Views
It's really not. Joel - 07/07/2011 12:20:10 AM 712 Views
i'm really not Yunalesca - 07/07/2011 03:34:23 PM 789 Views
Fine as far as it goes, but public/private only matters to the extent others are affected. Joel - 09/07/2011 11:15:33 AM 750 Views
What else could the debate be about? Jeordam - 06/07/2011 10:58:51 PM 643 Views
"The babys life", not just "life". Joel - 07/07/2011 12:18:02 AM 970 Views
Holding the phone here might be good, yes.... Joel - 06/07/2011 10:33:46 PM 777 Views
See...that's the difference between you and me Jeordam - 06/07/2011 10:56:53 PM 866 Views
Apparently so; "completely anarchy as long as its regulated to one's body" sounds nonsensical to me. Joel - 06/07/2011 11:44:50 PM 844 Views
I think I could make that up. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 05/07/2011 11:41:00 PM 269 Views
Smartass *NM* Dark Knight - 06/07/2011 12:57:22 AM 286 Views
I'm with Joel. I always buckle up/helmet up, but I think such laws are asinine beetnemesis - 06/07/2011 02:30:04 AM 532 Views
why not just ban motorcycles all together, they are much more dangerous than cars random thoughts - 06/07/2011 05:39:51 PM 541 Views
Helmets help save lives. 'Onest. Two Wongs - 07/07/2011 04:40:42 PM 710 Views
So do not smoking, eating right and regular exercise, but we haven't made them mandatory. Joel - 09/07/2011 11:04:58 AM 714 Views
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