Believing things without strong supporting evidence is not rational.
Dreaded Anomaly Send a noteboard - 30/06/2011 12:11:33 AM
Euclid's Axioms on Geometry are also 2000+ years old, so are Aesop's Fables, the only reason a book or work's age is relevant is that if something has managed to keep getting cited after centuries, it probably indicates it has some value and merit, and I'd appreciate if you'd not imply I'm irrational, that you can't understand 'how any rational person could believe in such things' strikes me as a problem you should be seeking to address, because a pretty good chunk of the people most would regard as champions of reason believe or believed in such things, and I'm not sure how the breakdown goes amongst scientists but I don't know many in my own field of physics who consider religion at paradox with science and reason, regardless of their own beliefs or lack thereof, and maybe it's field arrogance but while we claim no monopoly on the faculty of reason we're generally considered to have more than our fair share of it. Even when I was an atheist, and later an agnostic, I never considered those who weren't to be prone to being irrational or possessed of impaired reasoning abilities, if you think that's the case, I'd respectfully submit you should re-evaluate either your definition of 'rational' or your definition of 'religion', and barring that at the very least I'd appreciate if you'd have the courteousy not to lob insults at religion when I did not invoke it as part of my comments, but again only mentioned it when someone also threw a slur at it.
Religion and science are not "separate magisteria" or anything of the sort. The failure of many scientists to realize this is generally because of compartmentalization, i.e. the idea that the scientific method and other related principles only apply in certain domains. In fact, they apply to all truth claims. (See http://lesswrong.com/lw/i8/religions_claim_to_be_nondisprovable/ and http://lesswrong.com/lw/gv/outside_the_laboratory/ for more thorough explanations of this, for starters.)
Let's be quantitative about how scientists differ in belief from the general population. We are many, many times more likely to be atheists, non-religious, or express doubts about religion than the general population. In the US, one estimate is that 30% of scientist are atheists, vs. maybe 2% of the general population who are atheists. 50% of scientists are without religious affiliation, vs. 16% of the general population. Only 36% of scientists state an explicit belief in God. See http://www.opposingviews.com/i/growing-number-of-scientists-are-atheists for more statistics (and note that the data was gathered by someone attempting to argue the opposite point, that scientists generally are religious.)
The idea that religion deserves "courtesy" is nonsense. No belief deserves protection from criticism. Also, "irrational" is a word with a specific meaning, not just a general insult.
As a side note, the entire paragraph I quoted contains only 2 periods. That is a serious barrier to readability.
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25/06/2011 03:47:43 AM
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I'm actually not opposed to this.
25/06/2011 03:48:32 PM
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I'm not sure why there was even any need for such explicit protection.
25/06/2011 04:04:47 PM
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so in your only Catholics are really married?
26/06/2011 12:04:07 AM
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Church Doctrine.
26/06/2011 12:57:39 AM
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That's patently wrong in that Orthodox weddings are explicitly recognized by the Church.
26/06/2011 02:42:00 PM
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Yeah okay...
26/06/2011 05:16:05 PM
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They are outside of the authority of Rome, and have, on occasion, excommunicated Popes.
27/06/2011 05:03:31 PM
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Seems fine to me
25/06/2011 05:44:30 PM
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Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy.
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Re: Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy.
26/06/2011 03:11:06 AM
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Good luck telling that to the deeply religious right.
26/06/2011 03:20:04 AM
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I am a deeply religious member of the right, and I tell them that all the time *NM*
26/06/2011 03:30:14 AM
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After a number of years of gay marriage
26/06/2011 06:57:07 AM
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That's more or less true of virtually everything, not a great example
26/06/2011 07:09:03 AM
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People shouldn't turn their own religion and/or opinion into law
28/06/2011 07:33:48 PM
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I don't recall mentioning religion beyond confirming that I was religious
28/06/2011 08:22:51 PM
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I admit I wasn't replying to you directly
29/06/2011 07:20:10 AM
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I think you should give this subject a bit more thought
29/06/2011 02:16:04 PM
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Believing things without strong supporting evidence is not rational.
30/06/2011 12:11:33 AM
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Requiring different degrees of proof for things isn't particularly rational
30/06/2011 01:14:44 PM
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I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything.
30/06/2011 07:43:51 PM
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Re: I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything.
30/06/2011 08:59:00 PM
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Re: I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything.
30/06/2011 09:47:30 PM
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No, I used the word irrational to mean that it's not rational.
30/06/2011 09:12:19 PM
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Re: Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy.
26/06/2011 10:38:56 PM
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I think you should give your fellow citizens a bit more trust and respect
27/06/2011 05:41:52 PM
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My expectations are guided by psychology and history.
28/06/2011 07:08:06 PM
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That's good to know, most of us do that, though we usually just call it common sense and experience
28/06/2011 08:55:23 PM
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No, most people don't do that. Reasoning from cognitive biases and anecdotes is much more common.
30/06/2011 12:18:40 AM
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I approved that years ago. They are way behind. Granted, I have no authority over anyone...
26/06/2011 12:22:33 AM
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The real issue is going to be when the Supreme Court rules on the full faith and credit clause.
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