The odd thing for me is that, despite all the languages, the only one I consistently feel confident in listing no matter what context it is presented in is Russian, because Russians tend to think that I am myself Russian and I have no problems drafting complex legal documents in Russian (so long as American law is being used - I took classes on the Russian legal system but it really is God's own little mystery when actually implemented).
Makes sense. One really can't have very many languages in which one is confidently fluent no matter what the topic. I think I may say I've gotten there with English, but after spending the last ten years reading and writing it for quite possibly an average of several hours a day, well, that's no wonder. It kind of depresses me, how even after such extreme amounts of time my spoken English at least could still be better (mostly in terms of being consistent with an accent I'm generally all over the place even within a single conversation). Makes one wonder how one can ever really attain native fluency in more than two or three foreign languages.
On the level that most people here are discussing, though, my Chinese and Spanish are perfectly fine to list, and my French and German are okay as long as the conversation i-s c-o-n-d-u-c-t-e-d s-l-o-w-l-y. By Larry's standard, though, they're quite good (since he looks at the reading comprehension side of things as opposed to conversational side).
Yes, those can be entirely different things... and then some people noted that they were far better conversationally than written. I think I myself might say I speak French better than I write it, though that's mostly a matter of some grammar rules I'm just too lazy to learn properly, and I do read it fluently, so...
I would think German would be VERY easy for you if your native language is Dutch. And just why is Arabic complicated (for you) ?
To read is very easy, yes, to listen to some extent, and to make myself understood after a fashion. But to speak and write correctly? When two languages are that close together, false friends become a major problem, and speakers of Dutch have a tendency of just not putting much effort into learning German, because we understand most of it already anyway. Of course I could learn German with far less effort than I've put into learning French or Spanish; but we're generally just not willing to put that much effort into it, unless we have some particular reason to need to speak/write perfect German.
As for Arabic, with the written language (MSA or Classic Arabic), it's mostly a matter of its enormous vocabulary - I knew more of it a few years back when I was still studying it in uni, obviously, maintaining that level of reading/writing is a challenge. And then the spoken language, well, I've just never had much practice in speaking and listening, even in MSA. And hardly any in the spoken varieties, I know some words and some general rules of the spoken languages, but that's about it.
A week or two ago, a friend of mine who studied Arabic with me in uni and myself went to see some play in Moroccan Arabic - expecting to be hard-pressed to follow it, alright. What we had not exactly expected was that we'd understand essentially nothing at all - perhaps a word every five sentences, and the handful of sentences that were more or less straightforward MSA.
/Simple Question: at what point do you tell people you "know" a language or "speak" it?
24/06/2011 02:49:51 AM
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Here's what I tell various people
24/06/2011 03:09:45 AM
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It's interesting that you focus on the literary side
24/06/2011 03:29:36 AM
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I do that because I make some money from translations, so I have to "know" at least one other, no?
24/06/2011 03:41:24 AM
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Re: /Simple Question: at what point do you tell people you "know" a language or "speak" it?
24/06/2011 01:21:52 PM
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I think if you would be able to make not just basic needs known...
24/06/2011 04:58:05 PM
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Very good question.
24/06/2011 08:22:47 PM
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I had a feeling you might enjoy the survey.
24/06/2011 10:50:47 PM
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What can I say, I'm predictable?
25/06/2011 01:00:49 AM
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Two words: constant practice
25/06/2011 02:34:52 AM
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"Sank beneath the the waves of the Lethe" is an incredible phrase. *NM*
26/06/2011 06:01:00 AM
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If you have at least an elementary school understanding of the language
24/06/2011 10:19:45 PM
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My own survey answers
24/06/2011 11:07:12 PM
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Funny how your taste in languages still to learn parallels mine to a great extent.
25/06/2011 01:04:36 AM
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Yeah, and I realized that last list should include Farsi and Arabic.
25/06/2011 02:24:06 AM
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Oh, and Hawaiian. I have about seven books on Hawaiian. All bought in Hawaii, of course. *NM*
25/06/2011 02:35:43 AM
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I suppose Farsi must be easier than Arabic.
26/06/2011 11:18:23 AM
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Re: /Simple Question: at what point do you tell people you "know" a language or "speak" it?
29/06/2011 11:25:42 PM
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