Just because your Sunday School teacher was not smart enough to realize the means through which baptism is accomplished doesn't mean that saliva is a valid form of baptism.
The Orthodox Church only recognizes full immersion in a running body of water or a font of clean water which has been blessed with holy oil. This was mentioned in the Didache - "Baptize in living (i.e., running) water in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If it is not possible to use living water, one may use other water." The standard procedure is to bless the font with oil used for anointing, to bless the water and to completely immerse the child in the font (adult-sized fonts are usually found only at monasteries or cathedrals).
The Catholic Church requires that the water be sanctified as well, though it usually permits baptism by pouring water over the head. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Paragraph 1278 - Ritus essentialis Baptismi consistit in immersione candidati in aquam vel in aquae infusione super caput eius... . The blessing of the water is essential, however: From Paragraph 1238 - Aqua baptismalis deinde (sive in momento, ipso sive in Vigilia Paschali) per Epiclesis consecratur orationem.
Neither the Catholic nor the Orthodox Church will permit any water to be blessed that is not clean and from a clean source (such as a well, tap water or clean running water).
The Anglican Church likewise requires a sanctification of the water, which is set forth in the Book of Common Prayer - "sanctify this Water to the mystical washing away of sin". I am aware that Lutherans follow a very similar procedure.
What the crazy churches do is their own business.
The Orthodox Church only recognizes full immersion in a running body of water or a font of clean water which has been blessed with holy oil. This was mentioned in the Didache - "Baptize in living (i.e., running) water in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If it is not possible to use living water, one may use other water." The standard procedure is to bless the font with oil used for anointing, to bless the water and to completely immerse the child in the font (adult-sized fonts are usually found only at monasteries or cathedrals).
The Catholic Church requires that the water be sanctified as well, though it usually permits baptism by pouring water over the head. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Paragraph 1278 - Ritus essentialis Baptismi consistit in immersione candidati in aquam vel in aquae infusione super caput eius... . The blessing of the water is essential, however: From Paragraph 1238 - Aqua baptismalis deinde (sive in momento, ipso sive in Vigilia Paschali) per Epiclesis consecratur orationem.
Neither the Catholic nor the Orthodox Church will permit any water to be blessed that is not clean and from a clean source (such as a well, tap water or clean running water).
The Anglican Church likewise requires a sanctification of the water, which is set forth in the Book of Common Prayer - "sanctify this Water to the mystical washing away of sin". I am aware that Lutherans follow a very similar procedure.
What the crazy churches do is their own business.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
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ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
A question on baptism
10/06/2011 09:21:44 AM
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To my knowledge, baptism does not stem from the Resurrection.
10/06/2011 11:01:17 AM
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What I meant
10/06/2011 11:03:08 AM
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I don't follow.
10/06/2011 11:08:07 AM
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Re: I don't follow.
10/06/2011 11:10:40 AM
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I don't keep up with RC theology much.
10/06/2011 11:15:52 AM
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Re: I don't keep up with RC theology much.
10/06/2011 11:17:53 AM
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They should, IMHO, but the difficulty of definitively saying is why Limbo was created.
11/06/2011 10:39:26 AM
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Re: They should, IMHO, but the difficulty of definitively saying is why Limbo was created.
11/06/2011 11:53:53 AM
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You haven't necessarily developed a wrong impression.
10/06/2011 11:50:53 AM
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Re: You haven't necessarily developed a wrong impression.
10/06/2011 11:52:27 AM
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10/06/2011 11:55:01 AM
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10/06/2011 11:58:36 AM
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10/06/2011 12:16:46 PM
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10/06/2011 12:19:16 PM
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10/06/2011 12:25:08 PM
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10/06/2011 12:26:30 PM
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10/06/2011 12:28:45 PM
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10/06/2011 12:29:43 PM
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Circumcision remains common among Christians mostly for symbolic reasons as well.
11/06/2011 10:48:48 AM
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Hm, I don't know. I don't think I know any non-Jews who are circumsized that see it as a symbol
11/06/2011 04:44:02 PM
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I took a holy dip into the Ganges
10/06/2011 11:48:26 AM
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Early Christians and Jews were obsessed with purity
10/06/2011 12:56:58 PM
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Oh, I know about the historical/academic/anthropological reason
10/06/2011 01:04:43 PM
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A first responce
10/06/2011 02:09:32 PM
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Do you want a theological answer or a historical one?
10/06/2011 03:16:44 PM
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The theological. I already had a fairly good idea of the historical
10/06/2011 03:18:51 PM
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My favorite fact about baptism is that is REQUIRES water... but it can be ANY water
10/06/2011 04:31:12 PM
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That is absurd.
10/06/2011 08:37:13 PM
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It is absurd
10/06/2011 08:56:19 PM
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When your post is eviscerated, resorting to "HURR RELIGION IS DUMB" isn't a winning move.
10/06/2011 10:00:39 PM
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Psh.You can dress it up with spiritualism and semantics, but the concept boils down to "magic water"
11/06/2011 03:56:03 AM
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The point is that it's a symbol.
11/06/2011 04:45:19 AM
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I have no problem with water as a symbol
11/06/2011 04:59:52 AM
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You are totally missing the point.
11/06/2011 02:46:08 PM
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Which again, is something that sounds nice and spiritual, but doesn't actually make any sense
11/06/2011 03:46:51 PM
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your problem is you're trying to apply objective logic to religion
11/06/2011 04:13:01 PM
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I'm not, exactly. Religion has internal logic. For example, certain things are "unclean"
11/06/2011 04:40:33 PM
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Beliefs about holy water are internally logical.
11/06/2011 07:36:08 PM
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Shrug. It was on topic.
11/06/2011 08:06:16 PM
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The more I read of your posts, the more I think you fundamentally misunderstand religious symbolism. *NM*
11/06/2011 10:51:17 PM
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Let me clarify: your statements are absurd.
10/06/2011 10:14:06 PM
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Check my response to Ghav for elaboration, but basically, your argument doesn't hold
11/06/2011 04:00:18 AM
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You went from saying spit was good to saying "clean water".
12/06/2011 02:04:26 AM
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I'm completely consistent. I was just staying away from extremes for conversation's sake.
12/06/2011 09:02:02 AM
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No one from a respectable faith thinks of holy water as "magic water". Period. *NM*
13/06/2011 04:56:53 AM
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All I know, Is a Lutheran Pastor told me, b/c i was not baptised I was going to hell, and had *NM*
11/06/2011 03:44:38 PM
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I never thought of it in that way, that is why I like this site *NM*
12/06/2011 04:26:40 PM
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