A lot of the debate from the centered around how many of those people there are.
Joel Send a noteboard - 10/06/2011 01:15:19 AM
For someone who can't or won't pay their bill, this won't do any good. For someone who can pay, though, and simply doesn't want to maintain insurance, this would be a way to force them in.
What I wasn't considering is that there ARE such people. And also that most hospital bills are small (...ish). When someone without insurance comes in and is forced to buy some, it's not always too late for the hospital to come out ahead. It's too late when someone comes in needing a 36 hour spinal surgery, but if you can get someone paying insurance for ten years in order to get a $500 finger splint, well, there you go.
What I wasn't considering is that there ARE such people. And also that most hospital bills are small (...ish). When someone without insurance comes in and is forced to buy some, it's not always too late for the hospital to come out ahead. It's too late when someone comes in needing a 36 hour spinal surgery, but if you can get someone paying insurance for ten years in order to get a $500 finger splint, well, there you go.
The number usually quoted was that 40 million Americans (a little over 1 in 8 ) have no health insurance. Whether that's a sign America needs a public healthcare program usually has a lot to do with how many of those 40 million lack health insurance because they simply can't afford it, or because they think themselves so healthy that monthly premiums would cost more than paying the full cost out of pocket at need. Statistically, the lions share of the latter will find out they're wrong sooner rather than later, and when they can't pay the staggering bills that result the difference will be passed along to the rest of us in the form of higher costs for both healthcare itself and insurance (part of costs to those with insurance already include paying that difference). It's likely that at some point in the legal arguments this issue will be raised as a constitutional basis for "promoting the general welfare" of the 270 million insured Americans forced to pay part of the cost for the 40 million uninsured ones. One other stat to bear in mind: According to PBS, 50% of bankruptcies in 2007 were filed by people with jobs AND HEALTH INSURANCE but broken by catastrophic healthcare costs.
The truly shameful and inexcusable thing about the Great Healthcare Debate of 2009 is that even when the bill was passed it did NOTHING to actually lower the cost of healthcare; it simply required the entire country to pay private insurers who inflated the cost of a vital service they don't even provide to the point tens of millions can't obtain it. Obama wanted a win more than he wanted public healthcare, so he refused to introduce a public option in hopes of getting votes from Republicans who still unanimously voted against it. Likewise, Republicans want Obama to lose more than they want to preserve essentially the healthcare bill they insisted was the only one they'd accept (but voted against anyway). Isn't politics great?
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This message last edited by Joel on 10/06/2011 at 01:15:38 AM
ObamaCare's Legal Death Spiral Continues.....great news for America!
08/06/2011 10:04:24 PM
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I'm not informed enough to comment on most of this, but can someone explain that last line to me?
08/06/2011 11:25:49 PM
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just a guess but
08/06/2011 11:40:44 PM
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Yeah, and I guess that's what I was missing (see my response to Tom).
09/06/2011 07:13:00 AM
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A lot of the debate from the centered around how many of those people there are.
10/06/2011 01:15:19 AM
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"...the government mandate to have health insurance was unlike any law in American history"...
09/06/2011 05:24:56 AM
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wait....
09/06/2011 04:34:13 PM
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Guess what the "I" in FICA is; the Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance program is insurance
10/06/2011 12:34:04 AM
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if you want to opt out just work for a local government
09/06/2011 06:01:06 PM
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a few high profile cases does not equal "most" in any sense of the word *NM*
10/06/2011 02:38:26 AM
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Actually, there's an even more relevant example.
09/06/2011 08:01:18 PM
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That's the best link I've ever seen posted anywhere on the internet. *NM*
09/06/2011 08:26:02 PM
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That's a very flawed example
09/06/2011 09:06:24 PM
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Did you read the Act itself?
10/06/2011 04:04:39 PM
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Yes, did you get the 'foriegn port' part of sentence, or did you stop reading after the comma?
10/06/2011 06:11:27 PM
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Re: Yes, did you get the 'foriegn port' part of sentence, or did you stop reading after the comma?
10/06/2011 06:54:29 PM
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It might help if you clarified what your point is
10/06/2011 08:05:30 PM
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besides it was still just a condition for a specific job not a blanket requirement for breathing
10/06/2011 08:36:07 PM
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In other words, this is as "unprecedented" as filibustering Bush judicial nominees (i.e. it's not).
10/06/2011 12:55:17 AM
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Oh well. Living in a shit hole country is something I love and a chance to change that is BS.
12/06/2011 05:21:25 PM
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