Not sure what time it was when the bomb went off in Oklahoma City, but I know a daycare was part of the building destroyed; even if it wasn't nap time that doesn't really practically change the statements validity. It's a statistically negligible risk, yes, but the magnitude of that risk increases significantly in people completely oblivious to it.
You are making very little sense. Why are you bringing up a bombing by American gun nuts in a thread about the lack of awareness of Islamic terrorism in American kids? Are you trying to expose your own lack of awareness?
And no, the risk doesn't increase significantly. There just aren't enough terrorism attacks for it to factor in at all.
My concern is about ignorance; "Islamic" is rather irrelevant to me there except insofar as a lot of terrorism is Islamic. In fact, I'd say people are more likely to be ignorant of McVeigh and his ilk than of bin Laden. As for whether there's enough terrorism for awareness of it to reduce vulnerability to it, we'll have to agree to disagree there, but check the list. Not counting Mexican border incidents related to drug cartel warfare ( "significant" enough the State Department issued travel warnings and governors demanded federal aid to protect citizens) there have been an average of 2.5 terrorist incidents/year in the US alone since 2001, and number is significantly higher in many other countries. Of course, terrorism killed thousands of Americans in the US in 2001, and I think you'll be hard pressed to show sugar addiction has killed as many (particularly since the jury's still out on whether such a thing even exists, and I expect no proof).
There's plenty of information available about what's healthy; again, even 20-25 years ago when I was in middle and high school I got it in no less than three different health classes. The epidemic of unhealthy diets despite widely disseminated information on how to eat healthy doesn't exactly undermine my initial assertion that the kids are ignoring information necessary to their continued well being.
Wow... you had information about it in at least 3 health classes! How often have you seen coca cola (pepsi, dr pepper, sprite, etc) commercials? How often have you seen fast food commercials? How often have you seen ice cream commercials?
How many healthy food options are easily available?
Can't you see that this is disproportionately stacked in favor of unhealthy food?
I've seen plenty of commercials for both unhealthy and extremely healthy food; there's a whole industry for the latter based on people who share your views. Peoples preferences are disproportionately stacked in favor of food that's quick, cheap, easy and tasty, usually at the expense of health. The media and food producers don't make people buy those things, and I don't think all the activist American moms denying their kids ANY sugar have had much impact on the nations health.
Sugar addiction sounds a bit sketchy to me, no offense. Psychological dependence, maybe, but people are more likely to be bouncing off the walls when they ARE on sugar than when they're not.
What's sketchy about sugar addiction?
Wikipedias article on the subject states
Sugar addiction is a perceived difficulty controlling intake of sweet foods or beverages. Although the term itself is not generally used to refer to any scientific construct, mounting evidence suggests that under certain conditions, consumption of sweets or sugar may indeed become addiction-like.
Any concept of sugar addiction is complicated by a lack of consensus on the actual definition of addiction....
Some psychologists maintain that results of this type may indeed provide a new way of looking at overeating, but that much caution should be exercised about using them to effectively put sugar in the same category as drugs. They believe there is some overlap between the systems that control food intake and addiction but this cannot yet unambiguously be said to necessarily make certain foods addictive.
Some animals, and some people, may become overly dependent on sweet food, particularly if they periodically stop eating and then binge. This may relate to eating disorders such as bulimia. It would probably be more correct to refer to the laboratory rats referred to above as "sugar-dependent" rather than "addicted. " In general, to be classified as an addiction, reproducible "double blind" experiments would have to show that the experimental subjects exhibited all three elements that make up the definition of this term: a behavioral pattern of increased intake and changes in brain chemistry; then signs of withdrawal and further changes in brain chemistry upon deprivation; and third, signs of craving and relapse after withdrawal is over.
Any concept of sugar addiction is complicated by a lack of consensus on the actual definition of addiction....
Some psychologists maintain that results of this type may indeed provide a new way of looking at overeating, but that much caution should be exercised about using them to effectively put sugar in the same category as drugs. They believe there is some overlap between the systems that control food intake and addiction but this cannot yet unambiguously be said to necessarily make certain foods addictive.
Some animals, and some people, may become overly dependent on sweet food, particularly if they periodically stop eating and then binge. This may relate to eating disorders such as bulimia. It would probably be more correct to refer to the laboratory rats referred to above as "sugar-dependent" rather than "addicted. " In general, to be classified as an addiction, reproducible "double blind" experiments would have to show that the experimental subjects exhibited all three elements that make up the definition of this term: a behavioral pattern of increased intake and changes in brain chemistry; then signs of withdrawal and further changes in brain chemistry upon deprivation; and third, signs of craving and relapse after withdrawal is over.
Above emphases mine. The issue of "relapse" is significant here, because the technical term for a human who ingests no sugar directly or otherwise is "corpse". It is sketchy, to say the least; while psychological dependence is "addiction-like", if it were addiction we wouldn't need the suffix.
If you are used to having sugar in everything, your body will expect sugar in everything. When it's no longer there, your body will crave the sugar, because it's used to getting it. Metabolism works with homeostasis, i.e. it wants to retain the levels it's used to.
And how is bouncing off walls or not related to it being or not being an addition? Btw, there's no scientific proof that sugar makes people bounce off walls.
And how is bouncing off walls or not related to it being or not being an addition? Btw, there's no scientific proof that sugar makes people bounce off walls.
Metabolism "works" with SUGAR. It is the one and only means by which our cells obtain energy; the whole reason we respire is to provide oxygen for our cells to metabolize sugar to get energy. I'm really not interested in getting into the specious "sugar is a toxin" debate, but as someone who's spent a FAIR amount of time in America as a child and adult, I can assure you that discussion is as much a part of public discourse as it is anywhere else. "Bouncing off the walls" was a reference to the anxiety and physical discomfort common in addicts experiencing withdrawal. There may be no scientific proof sugar literally makes people bounce off walls, but there's plenty of scientific proof excess sugar leads to excess energy that, among other things, typically produces excessive activity. Psychological dependence on ANYTHING is possible, of course; that's what OCD is. It's not an addiction except by the loosest and most generous definition. I've known a LOT of addicts over the years, and sugar addiction seems at least as ridiculous to me as you find the notion that someone ignorant of terrorism directed at them increases their vulnerability to it.
If there are sugar addicts out there, they have my sincere pity, because they're gonna remain "powerless over their addiction" quite literally till the day they die.
You have a weird definition of addiction.
One of us certainly does.
Yes, sweet things are enjoyable; it's one of natures little ways of making us want something we need to survive. Yes, lots of people consume far more than they should, but "sugar addiction" and research seeking to prove it sounds more like an excuse for overindulging in something we need without having to take responsibility for that fact.
No, it's about ensuring that sugar stops being added to everything.
Sugar isn't "added to everything". Apples don't have added sugar. Water doesn't have added sugar. Most bread doesn't have added sugar (though an addict would eat it anyway because it has a LOT of starch they can easily convert to sugar). If you're that worried about the issue, tackling it as "sugar is added to everything" is counterproductive. The problem is FAR more complex, involving far greater factors like:
People in industrialized countries have less time and money to obtain, prepare and consume healthy food, consequently encouraginges them to eat quick, easy, cheap and unhealthy food.
In America a variety of agricultural subsidies (primarily to large corporate farms who don't need them) exacerbate that problem by artificially lowering prices on unhealthy food, thereby creating market incentives to consume more of it.
Wealthy industrialized nations have more people who can and do consume food (among other things... ) excessively.
Jobs and recreation in such countries are increasingly sedentary, and eating candy while playing Super Mario burns less calories than sandlot football.
Boiling all that down to "there's too much added sugar" is rather missing the point; it may be convenient if one indulges the conceit that all Americans are fat, stupid and lazy, but in that case see my earlier statement on counterproductivity. That's not to say I disagree with reducing the amount of added sugar (especially artificial sugar, e.g. the infamous HFCS) but by itself it's simply treating a symptom. Regardless, just because people decline to use any self control doesn't make them addicts; the whole basis of addiction is that self control is no longer a relevant issue.
Then I would say you're not very far aware on how US home schooling is done then, and that the phrase "religious fanatic" is sometimes thrown about too loosely.
I'm admittedly not very aware of home schooling in the US. But nearly everything I've read about home schooling in the US has been done by religious fanatics. I may throw this around too loosely for your comfort, so I'll explain my definition: people who home school their children so as to avoid the children coming into contact with view points other than their own religious doctrine.
Ah, well, in that case, no problem; all states have curriculum standards home schools must meet just like conventional schools do. Setting aside cases where kids are home schooled because their parents lack confidence in traditional schols (with some justification), even parents who home school because they don't want their kids to accept, say, evolution, are still required to ensure their kids are VERY familiar with the concept as represented by science. Again, if your primary concern is the kids' education, checking standardized test scores might make you an ADVOCATE of home schooling where possible. It's amazing how much more development a childs education can receive when they're one of three rather than thirty. Partly for the reason you stated, I happen to support traditional schools, particularly public ones, and despair of the extent to which America often neglects them. However, I see nothing wrong with home schooling; I just don't think kids whose parents don't have that option should be doomed to a life of ignorance.
As to your other point, social interaction needn't be confined to school, and social growth will almost certainly be stunted if it is. If schools don't provide a quality education, should a parent who can sacrifice that to add to the social interaction their child should be getting outside of school anyway?
You mean, within the church?
No, I don't, or I would have said so; it's certainly one of the many options, but the sandlot football game would be more appropriate (they can even use a spherical ball if you find that less offensive). When did this stop being about knowledge of terrorism and become about what's wrong with your caricature of America? Can we agree that such derogatory and inaccurate assumptions are beneath us both, or should I indulge a few as well?
As to the rest 1. I didn't say a womans place is in the home (though it certainly CAN be, and a woman without the CHOICE is equally unfree whatever path is forced upon her), I said the people who argue that most forcefully have done the most to make it untenable.
I think that it's a luxury to be able to expect that one person in a household can just stay at home, not earning an income. For most people in the world, this is not an option. In case it's possible, though, why should only the woman have this amount of freedom to choose? Are women supposed to be more free than men these days?
Heh, it often seems that way, but, no, it should be a family decision since it impacts the whole family; if they decide the man should be the stay at home parent, that's equally legitimate whether it's conventional or not. Single income households ARE a luxury now--but were the norm in America until about a generation ago. That's why I said it's ironic that the same people most opposed to working mothers are the very ones whose economic policies have made it vital for mothers to work. I think most kids would benefit from a parent whose primary activity was raising them, but busting unions, gutting public education and ensuring girls with no access to abortion drop out of high school to raise kids by themselves doesn't foster that goal.
2. Having a baby doesn't automatically make anyone a skillful teacher, but if the professional teachers and educational system is woefully inadequate only a foolish woman would rely on them for her childs education if she could take charge of it herself.
What? So she should be an inadequate teacher herself instead? A lot of people aren't all that bright, you do realize that, don't you?
Yes, I do, but if the choice is between kids being taught by an inadequate parent or an inadequate teacher adequacy is off the table. In that case I'd probably pick the one who already has an established bond with the child and a strong interest in the kids current and future well being. I know which one has the greatest incentive to alleviate their inadequacy for the benefit of the child.
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OK, Once and for All, WTF Is WRONG with Kids Today?
04/05/2011 01:28:52 AM
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I guess I have a pretty bright Child. and a good school district.
04/05/2011 04:28:24 AM
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You really have to wonder if our culture is decadent? *NM*
04/05/2011 06:24:25 AM
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Not at all, but it does make me wonder if we're TOO decadent.
06/05/2011 01:38:42 AM
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I agree. *NM*
09/05/2011 10:36:40 PM
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Hope for the best and plan for the worst, I suppose, but that's what unnerved me here.
10/05/2011 03:14:24 AM
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How is it the kids' fault that they are not taught (to care) about recent history? *NM*
04/05/2011 06:54:16 AM
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I just asked my son, and he said he was a boss of a criminal organisation who was responsible for
04/05/2011 06:56:18 AM
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Yes and no, but I'd think an international network trying to kill you would motivate self education.
06/05/2011 01:57:06 AM
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Good teachers don't allow overeager students to monopolize the classroom.
06/05/2011 02:52:27 AM
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We covered the material.
06/05/2011 02:57:52 AM
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If they don't know about the terrorist organisation to begin with, why would they self educate?
13/05/2011 08:06:07 AM
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If completely ignorant of terrorism itself, they wouldn't, but if not I'd expect they'd get informed
14/05/2011 03:01:37 AM
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What?!? There are terrorists roaming the US, killing kids in their beds?!?
14/05/2011 07:45:27 AM
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They're certainly trying.
14/05/2011 10:43:48 AM
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Oklahoma city bombing was by American citizens, completely unrelated to Al Qaeda...
15/05/2011 08:02:11 AM
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They were both terrorist attacks.
15/05/2011 02:53:51 PM
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Obesity is a much bigger killer than terrorists
15/05/2011 04:01:51 PM
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Sure, but obesity covers a lot of ground.
15/05/2011 04:19:51 PM
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Obesity is a new problem
15/05/2011 06:09:33 PM
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I gave you my explanation, but can reiterate it.
15/05/2011 08:00:03 PM
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For god's sake... I didn't attribute all of obesity to sugar addiction.
15/05/2011 08:10:44 PM
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No, you blamed advertising and bad schools, too.
15/05/2011 08:20:32 PM
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That's because you are incredibly annoying and I am wondering if you will ever not reply
15/05/2011 08:26:12 PM
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An odd reason to stereotype the third most populous nation on Earth.
15/05/2011 08:52:57 PM
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only about a third of the home schooled kids are home schooled for religious reasons
16/05/2011 09:35:36 PM
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how many times have i told you "it's the internet, it's not real life"?? *NM*
04/05/2011 07:43:01 AM
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I met a lady who didn't know who Justin Bieber was. I told her I was very impressed
04/05/2011 06:49:49 PM
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You should be?
06/05/2011 02:09:47 AM
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He may have been dreaming about killing them but he was actually doing anything *NM*
06/05/2011 03:09:49 AM
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The short answer is "yes".
06/05/2011 03:19:31 AM
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you would of have had to know who he is to know he was doing that though *NM*
08/05/2011 06:16:39 PM
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Yes, and the fact he WAS doing that is why I expected nearly everyone to know who he was.
08/05/2011 07:12:41 PM
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I am not saying they shouldn't know who he is just that is isn't that shocking that some don't
09/05/2011 02:35:02 PM
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I get that, it's the size of the "some" that kinda floors me.
09/05/2011 05:02:46 PM
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Rumsfeld was a bit of a tool but he was right about a lot of stuff
09/05/2011 05:05:56 PM
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I did think he took heat unfairly for that comment; he's an interesting figure.
09/05/2011 05:59:58 PM
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see that is why political comedy isn't really comedy
10/05/2011 02:15:48 PM
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He was a college offensive lineman.
12/05/2011 01:47:52 AM
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It was the media tqaking offense not just internet nutjobs
13/05/2011 04:16:34 AM
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You're "the media" now?
13/05/2011 10:27:42 PM
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you live in a fantasy world *NM*
16/05/2011 02:27:20 PM
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Not a rebuttal.
16/05/2011 09:10:33 PM
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I am trying to be more concise and that summed it up *NM*
16/05/2011 09:26:32 PM
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Concise is nice, but that response was solely about me rather than my arguments.
18/05/2011 11:30:38 PM
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No it was about your reply I am just to lazy to break it down
19/05/2011 12:54:38 AM
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13-17 year olds.
05/05/2011 01:51:27 AM
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Call me crazy, but I tend to notice people who want to kill me when they've shown the ability.
06/05/2011 02:53:26 AM
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Re: Call me crazy, but I tend to notice people who want to kill me when they've shown the ability.
06/05/2011 09:21:10 PM
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As I asked below, did you click the link?
06/05/2011 11:35:45 PM
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Re: As I asked below, did you click the link?
09/05/2011 05:37:29 AM
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And yet you found a way; full marks for effort.
09/05/2011 07:50:32 AM
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Re: And yet you found a way; full marks for effort.
11/05/2011 02:52:45 PM
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Well, based on the consensus, I can't really argue with that first line.
11/05/2011 11:33:53 PM
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well then, let us who've somewhat recently been educated as to internet searches assure you...
11/05/2011 11:41:54 PM
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Educated about how to conduct them, or how they ARE conducted?
12/05/2011 01:13:25 AM
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Re: Educated about how to conduct them, or how they ARE conducted?
12/05/2011 04:50:23 AM
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So we're back to criticizing claims of superiority I've never made?
14/05/2011 07:06:10 AM
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Thanks for the mis-analogizing.
10/05/2011 06:26:40 AM
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Not a mis-analogy, but perhaps ambiguous.
10/05/2011 07:02:31 AM
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What are you doing to earn a living now? *NM*
05/05/2011 03:04:28 AM
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Jeg øver norsk, men ikke mer nå.
06/05/2011 02:54:44 AM
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Debt collection is kind
06/05/2011 07:16:53 AM
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Just don't repeatedly say you're seriously buying tickets to come kill them.
06/05/2011 11:40:51 PM
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Theres a reason you're banned from skype chat. Dont be a cunt
07/05/2011 02:22:30 AM
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You threadjacked me to take a potshot, so I don't want to hear it.
07/05/2011 03:57:47 AM
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it must be a very good reason if they haven't banned you as well
09/05/2011 05:09:07 PM
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Joel decided it would be fun to blackmail us with filing a false poilce report. *NM*
10/05/2011 12:07:46 AM
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I sent Skype the log; they said to contact the police.
10/05/2011 03:54:51 AM
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Re: I sent Skype the log; they said to contact the police.
15/05/2011 11:55:23 AM
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I think most of the relevant details have been covered here.
15/05/2011 04:06:09 PM
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Now I am certainly not going into skype chat.
17/05/2011 10:36:04 AM
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Can't say I blame you, but that's always a possibility online.
17/05/2011 05:07:23 PM
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Re: Can't say I blame you, but that's always a possibility online.
19/05/2011 12:59:14 AM
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For people who categorically objected to all bans of any kind ya'll embraced them very abruptly.
19/05/2011 01:50:26 AM
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You failed to respond to the main thrust of my argument, but, whatevs.
19/05/2011 03:01:07 AM
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I did, but will try again; then I'm done with this subject and rebutting Adams false accusations.
19/05/2011 03:51:24 AM
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I joked to Roh "If I kill him will you be my alibi... Great, I'm pricing tickets on travelocity now!
17/05/2011 12:02:28 AM
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It is nice to see even without chat the chat drama still seems to bleed into the main pages *NM*
10/05/2011 02:17:11 PM
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And that is your analysis? Really. Kids sure are dumb to ask questions and do research.
06/05/2011 10:15:41 PM
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No, but any kid whose research beings by finding out who he even WAS is dumb, period.
06/05/2011 11:31:08 PM
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Any kid whos research doesnt start by finding out who he was must have been born with the knowledge.
06/05/2011 11:39:56 PM
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Finding out, yes; finding out by actively searching, no.
06/05/2011 11:42:34 PM
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Any rational person wouldn't do a yahoo search. Other than that, the questions you posed are
15/05/2011 11:28:02 AM
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So their search engine makes them dumb, but their questions are OK.
15/05/2011 02:57:27 PM
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By gods, you are hopeless to talk to. *NM*
15/05/2011 03:56:27 PM
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I repeat, one of us certainly is.
15/05/2011 04:20:07 PM
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If you learned people are sometimes flippant
15/05/2011 06:13:52 PM
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I'm sometimes flippant, too, but have always been adherent of Poes Law.
15/05/2011 08:11:04 PM
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So quipping that rational people wouldn´t use a certain search engine is really about terrorism?!?
15/05/2011 08:14:59 PM
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I don't think the article says much of anything at all.
07/05/2011 03:28:35 AM
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Maybe; I don't always appreciate deadpan jokes online....
07/05/2011 03:43:51 AM
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I think the linguistic conventions governing search engines and typical conversation differ is all.
07/05/2011 04:00:38 AM
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Hopefully that's all it is.
07/05/2011 04:17:21 AM
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actually, search engines are getting better towards "questions" now
11/05/2011 11:06:42 PM
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I think you're reading too much into this
10/05/2011 12:58:20 AM
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Possibly; I really hope so.
10/05/2011 04:01:50 AM
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Re: Possibly; I really hope so.
10/05/2011 05:18:43 AM
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Again, fair enough.
12/05/2011 01:52:07 AM
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Re: I'm more disgusted by this thread than by its original topic of conversation. *NM*
15/05/2011 09:41:43 PM
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