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They're certainly trying. Joel Send a noteboard - 14/05/2011 10:43:48 AM
I guess it depends on what you mean by "big", but if they're wholly ignorant of someone with the intention and proven ability to murder them in their beds I think the face more risk from him than from unhealthy habits.

You make terrorists sound like boogeymen. What I mean by "big" is that statistically, the chances that an American is killed by a terrorist is negligible.

Not sure what time it was when the bomb went off in Oklahoma City, but I know a daycare was part of the building destroyed; even if it wasn't nap time that doesn't really practically change the statements validity. It's a statistically negligible risk, yes, but the magnitude of that risk increases significantly in people completely oblivious to it.
Assuming they don't pay attention enough to learn about the latter in health classes, a doctor will almost certainly inform them before they develop anything life threatening. Their diet and lack of exercise may still kill them if they don't care about or believe what they're told, but ignorance won't.

There is a tiny amount of information available about what would be healthy, and there is a barrage of information available on what is tasty and easy. Additionally, a lot of food contains addictive types of sugar. What do you think will win? People aren't homo economicus.

There's plenty of information available about what's healthy; again, even 20-25 years ago when I was in middle and high school I got it in no less than three different health classes. The epidemic of unhealthy diets despite widely disseminated information on how to eat healthy doesn't exactly undermine my initial assertion that the kids are ignoring information necessary to their continued well being. Sugar addiction sounds a bit sketchy to me, no offense. Psychological dependence, maybe, but people are more likely to be bouncing off the walls when they ARE on sugar than when they're not. If there are sugar addicts out there, they have my sincere pity, because they're gonna remain "powerless over their addiction" quite literally till the day they die. Yes, sweet things are enjoyable; it's one of natures little ways of making us want something we need to survive. Yes, lots of people consume far more than they should, but "sugar addiction" and research seeking to prove it sounds more like an excuse for overindulging in something we need without having to take responsibility for that fact. Sugar addicts aren't out there carb loading to get their fix when grains are converted to sugars. Addiction is more than a lack of will power to refuse something you enjoy. An addict is someone whose body can't them say no, not who simply refuses to do so.
Fair point; it's why a lot of folks support home schooling, but the sad truth it's no longer a viable option for many people. I've long thought it ironic that the folks in America who've always argued most forcefully that "a womans place is in the home!" happen to be the ones whose economic and education policies have made it nigh impossible for most women to be stay at home moms.

Home schooling in the US is usually done by religious fanatics, as far as I'm aware. I hardly support such a scheme. I think that it's important to learn at school, if only it is to be around other people socially.
Also, seriously... the woman's place is in the home? 1. Why would a woman's place be in the home? 2. You think that having a baby makes a woman suddenly a skillful teacher?

Then I would say you're not very far aware on how US home schooling is done then, and that the phrase "religious fanatic" is sometimes thrown about too loosely. If you haven't yet, you might compare the academic performance of US kids who are home schooled versus those who aren't; they may be religious fanatics, but they test better than kids in public and private schools. As to your other point, social interaction needn't be confined to school, and social growth will almost certainly be stunted if it is. If schools don't provide a quality education, should a parent who can sacrifice that to add to the social interaction their child should be getting outside of school anyway? As to the rest 1. I didn't say a womans place is in the home (though it certainly CAN be, and a woman without the CHOICE is equally unfree whatever path is forced upon her), I said the people who argue that most forcefully have done the most to make it untenable. 2. Having a baby doesn't automatically make anyone a skillful teacher, but if the professional teachers and educational system is woefully inadequate only a foolish woman would rely on them for her childs education if she could take charge of it herself.

We're kinda far afield here, but if the schools aren't adequate why wouldn't a responsible parent who could educate their own children do so? If they are adequate then kids with unhealthy diets and habits despite multiple health classes teaching them how to maintain both (and physical education classes and extracurricular sports assisting with the latter) are victims of precisely the willful ignorance I feared "Who is Osama bin Laden?" represents. Are they willfully ignorant, or do parents merely sacrifice their health for more social interaction in inferior schools that don't teach them how to maintain health (or much else)?
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OK, Once and for All, WTF Is WRONG with Kids Today? - 04/05/2011 01:28:52 AM 1580 Views
Cool story bro. *NM* - 04/05/2011 01:35:29 AM 477 Views
Clearly not. - 04/05/2011 02:16:08 AM 997 Views
Re: Duh. Winning. *NM* - 04/05/2011 01:46:39 AM 515 Views
The SEALS won. - 04/05/2011 02:17:41 AM 842 Views
They read Boing Boing. *NM* - 04/05/2011 01:57:17 AM 545 Views
And use Yahoo, apparently. - 04/05/2011 02:20:36 AM 1043 Views
I guess I have a pretty bright Child. and a good school district. - 04/05/2011 04:28:24 AM 883 Views
Hopefully, and presumably respectable parenting skills. - 06/05/2011 01:32:02 AM 1064 Views
You really have to wonder if our culture is decadent? *NM* - 04/05/2011 06:24:25 AM 495 Views
Not at all, but it does make me wonder if we're TOO decadent. - 06/05/2011 01:38:42 AM 904 Views
I agree. *NM* - 09/05/2011 10:36:40 PM 578 Views
How is it the kids' fault that they are not taught (to care) about recent history? *NM* - 04/05/2011 06:54:16 AM 475 Views
I just asked my son, and he said he was a boss of a criminal organisation who was responsible for - 04/05/2011 06:56:18 AM 876 Views
Good enough for me, thanks. - 06/05/2011 01:59:40 AM 895 Views
Yes and no, but I'd think an international network trying to kill you would motivate self education. - 06/05/2011 01:57:06 AM 999 Views
Good teachers don't allow overeager students to monopolize the classroom. - 06/05/2011 02:52:27 AM 1023 Views
We covered the material. - 06/05/2011 02:57:52 AM 1038 Views
Which means... not a good teacher. - 06/05/2011 07:02:44 AM 816 Views
Good luck with that. - 06/05/2011 11:51:48 PM 927 Views
If they don't know about the terrorist organisation to begin with, why would they self educate? - 13/05/2011 08:06:07 AM 887 Views
If completely ignorant of terrorism itself, they wouldn't, but if not I'd expect they'd get informed - 14/05/2011 03:01:37 AM 863 Views
What?!? There are terrorists roaming the US, killing kids in their beds?!? - 14/05/2011 07:45:27 AM 1006 Views
They're certainly trying. - 14/05/2011 10:43:48 AM 916 Views
Oklahoma city bombing was by American citizens, completely unrelated to Al Qaeda... - 15/05/2011 08:02:11 AM 1104 Views
They were both terrorist attacks. - 15/05/2011 02:53:51 PM 1042 Views
Obesity is a much bigger killer than terrorists - 15/05/2011 04:01:51 PM 889 Views
Sure, but obesity covers a lot of ground. - 15/05/2011 04:19:51 PM 907 Views
Obesity is a new problem - 15/05/2011 06:09:33 PM 909 Views
only about a third of the home schooled kids are home schooled for religious reasons - 16/05/2011 09:35:36 PM 991 Views
Fair enough... I can imagine wanting to avoid a crappy school. - 17/05/2011 06:04:11 PM 892 Views
getting your kid in the right school can be a challenge - 17/05/2011 06:18:04 PM 779 Views
how many times have i told you "it's the internet, it's not real life"?? *NM* - 04/05/2011 07:43:01 AM 505 Views
Sure, but in this case they intersect. - 06/05/2011 02:02:19 AM 954 Views
I met a lady who didn't know who Justin Bieber was. I told her I was very impressed - 04/05/2011 06:49:49 PM 969 Views
You should be? - 06/05/2011 02:09:47 AM 993 Views
He may have been dreaming about killing them but he was actually doing anything *NM* - 06/05/2011 03:09:49 AM 534 Views
The short answer is "yes". - 06/05/2011 03:19:31 AM 873 Views
you would of have had to know who he is to know he was doing that though *NM* - 08/05/2011 06:16:39 PM 455 Views
Yes, and the fact he WAS doing that is why I expected nearly everyone to know who he was. - 08/05/2011 07:12:41 PM 901 Views
I am not saying they shouldn't know who he is just that is isn't that shocking that some don't - 09/05/2011 02:35:02 PM 768 Views
I get that, it's the size of the "some" that kinda floors me. - 09/05/2011 05:02:46 PM 891 Views
Rumsfeld was a bit of a tool but he was right about a lot of stuff - 09/05/2011 05:05:56 PM 831 Views
I did think he took heat unfairly for that comment; he's an interesting figure. - 09/05/2011 05:59:58 PM 997 Views
see that is why political comedy isn't really comedy - 10/05/2011 02:15:48 PM 852 Views
He was a college offensive lineman. - 12/05/2011 01:47:52 AM 929 Views
It was the media tqaking offense not just internet nutjobs - 13/05/2011 04:16:34 AM 1002 Views
You're "the media" now? - 13/05/2011 10:27:42 PM 1010 Views
you live in a fantasy world *NM* - 16/05/2011 02:27:20 PM 466 Views
Not a rebuttal. - 16/05/2011 09:10:33 PM 901 Views
I am trying to be more concise and that summed it up *NM* - 16/05/2011 09:26:32 PM 468 Views
Concise is nice, but that response was solely about me rather than my arguments. - 18/05/2011 11:30:38 PM 873 Views
No it was about your reply I am just to lazy to break it down - 19/05/2011 12:54:38 AM 816 Views
"You live in a fantasy world" is 100% about me. - 19/05/2011 01:53:07 AM 711 Views
OK *NM* - 19/05/2011 03:15:04 PM 422 Views
Check. - 20/05/2011 12:08:24 AM 1164 Views
13-17 year olds. - 05/05/2011 01:51:27 AM 1082 Views
Call me crazy, but I tend to notice people who want to kill me when they've shown the ability. - 06/05/2011 02:53:26 AM 908 Views
Re: Call me crazy, but I tend to notice people who want to kill me when they've shown the ability. - 06/05/2011 09:21:10 PM 968 Views
As I asked below, did you click the link? - 06/05/2011 11:35:45 PM 778 Views
Re: As I asked below, did you click the link? - 09/05/2011 05:37:29 AM 807 Views
And yet you found a way; full marks for effort. - 09/05/2011 07:50:32 AM 1089 Views
Thanks for the mis-analogizing. - 10/05/2011 06:26:40 AM 1285 Views
Not a mis-analogy, but perhaps ambiguous. - 10/05/2011 07:02:31 AM 898 Views
Re: Not a mis-analogy, but perhaps ambiguous. - 10/05/2011 04:58:59 PM 929 Views
Re: Not a mis-analogy, but perhaps ambiguous. - 12/05/2011 01:22:38 AM 863 Views
Re: 13-17 year olds. - 06/05/2011 09:14:47 PM 888 Views
What are you doing to earn a living now? *NM* - 05/05/2011 03:04:28 AM 486 Views
Jeg øver norsk, men ikke mer nå. - 06/05/2011 02:54:44 AM 865 Views
Debt collection is kind - 06/05/2011 07:16:53 AM 840 Views
Just don't repeatedly say you're seriously buying tickets to come kill them. - 06/05/2011 11:40:51 PM 807 Views
Theres a reason you're banned from skype chat. Dont be a cunt - 07/05/2011 02:22:30 AM 858 Views
it must be a very good reason if they haven't banned you as well - 09/05/2011 05:09:07 PM 852 Views
And that is your analysis? Really. Kids sure are dumb to ask questions and do research. - 06/05/2011 10:15:41 PM 800 Views
I wish there were an applause smiley. - 06/05/2011 11:02:01 PM 883 Views
I don't think the article says much of anything at all. - 07/05/2011 03:28:35 AM 763 Views
Maybe; I don't always appreciate deadpan jokes online.... - 07/05/2011 03:43:51 AM 960 Views
I think the linguistic conventions governing search engines and typical conversation differ is all. - 07/05/2011 04:00:38 AM 845 Views
Hopefully that's all it is. - 07/05/2011 04:17:21 AM 820 Views
actually, search engines are getting better towards "questions" now - 11/05/2011 11:06:42 PM 801 Views
Fair enough then, if surprising; objection withdrawn. - 12/05/2011 01:17:28 AM 949 Views
I think you're reading too much into this - 10/05/2011 12:58:20 AM 911 Views
Possibly; I really hope so. - 10/05/2011 04:01:50 AM 824 Views
Re: Possibly; I really hope so. - 10/05/2011 05:18:43 AM 927 Views
Again, fair enough. - 12/05/2011 01:52:07 AM 872 Views
Re: Again, fair enough. - 12/05/2011 02:04:53 AM 903 Views
Acknowledged. - 12/05/2011 02:41:38 AM 874 Views
HA! - 12/05/2011 10:50:50 PM 1083 Views

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