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Yes, I suppose a church could go that route. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 14/05/2011 07:38:02 AM
But it seems to me "literalism or nothing" is something of a false dichotomy. Presumably scholarship and, yes, discernment and prayer exist to help us view the Bible as the complex document it is: divinely inspired, but written by humans and thereby subject to all their foibles.

That said, I can't immediately think of any Episcopalian priests whose general theology I agree with who really issue prescriptive moral boundaries beyond the Great Commandment. Maybe Micah: do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with your God.

God wantiing us not to be assholes makes sense; God wanting us not to screw assholes makes rather less. Or to put it less crudely, what sort of loving being makes up arbitrary rules that don't really matter? How do people say "Well, I don't see anything wrong with homosexuality, but the Bible says it's bad, so it must be. Ways above my ways and all that"? We don't need the Bible to tell us murder is wrong. We don't need the Bible to tell us we shouldn't steal. We know these things are wrong.

To my mind, the Bible is there to show us a story of redemption and reconciliation and to give us a message of how we can be redeemed and reconciled with God. There are old rules that are part of that story, but they belong to the Hebrews, not to us. Focusing on the rules of the Bible misses the real message of it.


Sorry about the exceptionally rambling nature of this post. It's late and I'm on my phone, meaning that by the time I end a sentence I have forgotten how it began.
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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Presbyterian Church (USA) passes Amendment 10-A. - 11/05/2011 05:39:29 PM 1337 Views
*NM* - 11/05/2011 06:10:26 PM 284 Views
I am happy to see this. *NM* - 11/05/2011 07:22:59 PM 317 Views
Homosexuals must die! - 11/05/2011 08:25:25 PM 1001 Views
I agree! This sort of behavior can NOT be excused!!! - 11/05/2011 10:38:16 PM 656 Views
Yay!!. - 11/05/2011 10:38:51 PM 828 Views
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Well done. *NM* - 11/05/2011 11:07:22 PM 323 Views
What's the language? Did they at least TRY to give a doctrinal justification? - 12/05/2011 02:10:46 AM 837 Views
Thank you for that rousing argument against married priests. - 12/05/2011 03:36:51 AM 824 Views
Why ARE you letting women into the priesthood? - 12/05/2011 04:16:50 AM 773 Views
Because Episcopalians don't listen to the Bible much. - 12/05/2011 05:47:03 AM 715 Views
That's just fine as far as I'm concerned - 12/05/2011 02:23:44 PM 713 Views
Yes, I suppose a church could go that route. - 14/05/2011 07:38:02 AM 683 Views
I'm not attempting to impose a dichotomy on the Bible. - 14/05/2011 03:25:30 PM 741 Views
I don't even know what following the Bible in its entirety means. - 14/05/2011 09:09:10 PM 916 Views
As an exercise, I tried to think of how I would justify allowing homosexuals as clergy. - 14/05/2011 04:19:43 PM 718 Views
Wow. - 20/05/2011 10:15:21 AM 748 Views
Thanks (I'm actually OK with women priests though). - 12/05/2011 07:09:11 AM 794 Views
It's more a question of interpretational standards. - 12/05/2011 02:29:43 PM 685 Views
Agreed. - 14/05/2011 01:17:45 AM 770 Views
They did so, via negativa. - 12/05/2011 04:22:17 PM 864 Views
Your church has a constitution?! - 12/05/2011 03:36:41 AM 725 Views
My Church has a congress! *NM* - 12/05/2011 03:37:52 AM 366 Views
Haha no way! *NM* - 12/05/2011 03:46:32 AM 319 Views
We have a General Assembly and a Moderator. - 12/05/2011 04:18:34 PM 817 Views
I had no idea the US was based on that system. - 12/05/2011 06:22:58 PM 646 Views
It is pretty common practice - 12/05/2011 06:54:02 PM 686 Views
Oh I'm sure it is with newer churches. - 12/05/2011 10:49:11 PM 744 Views
I'm happy to hear this, personally. I also wonder how you reconcile this with the Bible. - 12/05/2011 04:11:31 AM 909 Views
Every direct reference to homosexuality in the Bible is a reference to rape. - 12/05/2011 04:12:43 PM 740 Views
Every single word that you wrote in your response is complete bullshit. - 12/05/2011 05:50:07 PM 852 Views
Knock off your eisegesis, try some exegesis - 12/05/2011 07:02:45 PM 792 Views
I'm trying to figure out just what your "gifts" are, because I don't see any. - 12/05/2011 07:30:39 PM 762 Views
Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? - 13/05/2011 06:29:31 PM 759 Views
Re: Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? - 13/05/2011 07:02:35 PM 737 Views
I'm not playing. I'm pointing out some glaring errors on your part. - 13/05/2011 07:25:08 PM 680 Views
Danny will correct me if I'm wrong, but... - 13/05/2011 09:55:14 PM 868 Views
Danny persistently refuses to say that - 13/05/2011 10:13:55 PM 794 Views
You're a fucking moron. *NM* - 15/05/2011 11:11:08 PM 350 Views
You make a very important but too often overlooked point. - 14/05/2011 01:54:40 AM 822 Views
??? the bible was harsher on homosexulaity than on rape - 12/05/2011 06:56:43 PM 715 Views
Read Judges. - 12/05/2011 07:17:29 PM 717 Views
Another example... - 12/05/2011 09:19:52 AM 657 Views
That's what people said about churches opposing slavery. - 12/05/2011 04:06:26 PM 715 Views
I rest my case *NM* - 12/05/2011 04:48:32 PM 313 Views
That is a false dichotomy and we both know it. - 14/05/2011 02:07:19 AM 714 Views
If you claim to follow the entire Bible, then you are completely correct. - 12/05/2011 06:04:38 PM 633 Views
On the contrary, this move will take some butts out of the seats. - 12/05/2011 07:16:22 PM 694 Views
We both know that isn't the case - 12/05/2011 07:55:41 PM 801 Views
Whatever your issue is, get over it. - 13/05/2011 06:17:26 PM 677 Views
You'd be a lot more effective... - 13/05/2011 06:45:31 PM 776 Views
You haven't adequately expressed your theology - 13/05/2011 07:28:54 PM 773 Views
Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels - 12/05/2011 05:33:49 PM 763 Views
Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... - 13/05/2011 07:14:01 PM 667 Views
Re: Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... - 15/05/2011 03:18:23 PM 1081 Views

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