It's so much a feature to me, that I'd leave if it went to BB. Also, tangents.
Palatine Send a noteboard - 12/05/2011 05:40:45 PM
Next, the click-on-every-thread thing means that most of us only read threads by people we already know. That makes it difficult for a new person to build a good reputation, since one is largely ignored until you already /have/ a reputation. It's a catch-22 for anyone trying to join; people won't read their posts until they become known, and they can't become known until people read their posts. If you don't care about growth or the long-term viability of the site, then it's not a big deal. But if you want to avoid having the site go defunct in a matter of a few years, then membership growth should be a focus for us. And things that discourage new members from joining or participating should be looked at closely, even if it makes the rest of us uncomfortable.
This is perhaps true. I can only speak for myself in saying that I don't do that.
As far as the ability to ignore tangents, they're equally easy to ignore them in both systems; it's actually easier in bb, I think. I don't how much time the naysayers have spent on bb forums (just enough time to say "ew" and turn around, it looks like), but it's actually not terribly different from the current style. Just picture the person's entire post showing, instead of only the title of the post. Posts go down the line in order just like they are now, and that's pretty much it. It's not very drastic at all! Showing only the post title and nothing else isn't even that useful relevancy-filtering-wise, since unless the poster makes it abundantly obvious in the title that it IS a tangent, one still has to click on it and read it to discover that it's irrelevant. There's no time saved there at all. Many posters don't put descriptive titles on their posts, instead often opting for RE: OP and such, which tells the potential reader absolutely nothing. (Or you get folks like me, who write ridiculously long posts and then can't think of a short, punchy title that encapsulates all the plethora of points, so they choose something lame for a title because there's no real way to sum everything up.) The subtrees also get cumbersome, like the one on this thread where they bunch up all the way at the right of the page. A few more twigs on the tree, and it'll be a squashed mess at the edge of the screen.
Let's take this sub-thread, if you will. If I wasn't interested in the board style subject, I could quickly recognize everything relating to it after your original reply. That's dozens of replies I can ignore in about 1 second. On a BB style board, I at least have to start reading every post to see what it's about.
This "nesting" style is just far more organized and efficient in my view. Obviously we disagree about that and that's fine. I personally find the BB style so cumbersome, that if we changed to that, I'd leave this site virtually permanently, only checking in once in a while for WoT news.
As for your other points about membership and uniqueness--those don't interest me, so I won't comment on them.
It's a failing of mine that I don't really understand why folks think that bb would be such a hassle. To me the current layout is much more arduous. A person is willing to click on 140 individual links (the number of replies so far) to read this thread, but that same person won't be willing to click 6 times go through the same amount of material? (The average number of posts per page is around 25, so a thread this length would be six pages). It's generally obvious from context who the poster is responding to, and if there are posters who consistently post asinine nonsense that you don't want to read you can perma-ignore them without having to buy a premium account. Think of it as basically horizontal navigation across pages, instead of vertical navigation scrolling through trees. The reason 95% of forums use it is not because of groupthink or whatever explanation someone gave a while back; it's because the software is simply more flexible and more usable. Despite some members' semi-irrational fears, it's a lot easier to use than what we currently have, and would not be much of a hassle, either to install or to learn to use.
No, I'm not willing to click on 140 different threads and I haven't, but in the BB style, I'd have to click 6 times to see if there's something I want to read, which ends up being more material I have to go through, not the same amount.
I do agree that it's not very hard to see what a particular post in the BB style is referring to, but I still say it is more time-consuming than the "nesting" style.
Anyway, I'm sure I've probably wasted my breath here, and that you'll disagree with most everything that I've said. (Assuming you've read this far through my essay of a post, in which case I thank you for your attention.) I understand that the boards are conservative (or at least, the the most vocal and influential members of the boards are conservative; only a dozen or so people have responded to the tree-vs-bb portion of this thread, which on a board with hundreds of members (~75 at any given time, see above) seems like strangely few. If the topic is truly that controversial, I'm surprised a larger portion of the community hasn't commented on it....) Anyway, I understand that the changes I've suggested will most likely never be implemented, and that's ok. It's a wishlist, not a plan of action.
You've not wasted your breath. I asked for an explanation and you gave it (although in the wrong place ). Thank you.
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Wishlist
09/05/2011 08:26:23 AM
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I thought we already had one
09/05/2011 11:45:34 AM
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That is essentially Goodreads. *NM*
09/05/2011 02:42:06 PM
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I specifically noted I do not want it to become a Librarything/Goodreads copy.
09/05/2011 09:16:27 PM
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Wotmania content (FAQ, Theory post, personality test, etc.) and Chat *NM*
09/05/2011 02:53:08 PM
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Also agree here, at least where intellectual property isn't an issue.
09/05/2011 06:41:27 PM
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The Books MB, for example, has had more posts than the WoTMB in the past while.
09/05/2011 08:20:04 PM
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I think the BMB is the future, but am not convinced it's the present, or the road to the future.
09/05/2011 09:58:01 PM
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Or there is just a link between WoT fans and answering the quick poll.
09/05/2011 10:27:18 PM
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I did consider that possibility, yes.
10/05/2011 02:24:02 AM
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Re: I did consider that possibility, yes.
10/05/2011 11:11:37 AM
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Like I say, the data doesn't allow for certainty, but I've seen no data contrary to my premise.
11/05/2011 08:49:28 AM
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Re: Wotmania content (FAQ, Theory post, personality test, etc.) and Chat
22/07/2011 05:35:32 AM
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A new messageboard style
09/05/2011 06:49:10 PM
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I hate other bulletin board styles. Hate.
09/05/2011 06:55:31 PM
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09/05/2011 07:14:56 PM
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Well. I half agree with that.
09/05/2011 08:35:41 PM
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Help thing?
09/05/2011 09:55:18 PM
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Yes. The Help link on every page which currently goes nowhere. *NM*
09/05/2011 10:21:09 PM
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phpBB has an "ignore" option
09/05/2011 10:50:39 PM
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The thing is its the fun awesome people who do the tangents
09/05/2011 10:58:42 PM
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1996 is over
09/05/2011 11:52:48 PM
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THe option to show posts with newest replies first allows for that
09/05/2011 11:57:57 PM
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a few things
10/05/2011 12:05:50 AM
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I'm surprised to have gotten this strong of a reaction
10/05/2011 12:30:21 AM
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For what it's worth
10/05/2011 12:45:45 AM
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Re: For what it's worth
10/05/2011 08:29:08 AM
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It's possible
10/05/2011 11:45:26 AM
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Re: It's possible
10/05/2011 12:02:51 PM
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No, I got it
10/05/2011 01:03:59 PM
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Re: No, I got it
10/05/2011 01:14:01 PM
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Re: No, I got it
10/05/2011 04:42:57 PM
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Re: No, I got it
10/05/2011 04:52:06 PM
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Yes
10/05/2011 05:10:07 PM
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There's a firefox extension "interclue" that allows you to preview webpages before clicking links
10/05/2011 05:18:05 PM
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This site has what, 10% or so percent of wotmania's activity in its heyday?
10/05/2011 10:45:51 PM
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I used to spend quite a lot of time on other sites.
10/05/2011 12:14:09 PM
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Which type of sites?
10/05/2011 01:06:32 PM
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*NM*
11/05/2011 06:36:55 AM
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I actually had no idea to whom this response was directed.
11/05/2011 07:10:32 PM
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I agree with everything Rebakah and F&R said. I loathe the bulletin board style. *NM*
09/05/2011 07:12:53 PM
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I think forcing either style on anyone tends to discourage membership from those who want the other.
09/05/2011 08:23:13 PM
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This is a good alternative,
09/05/2011 08:39:07 PM
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Thanks; you can't please everyone, but this seems like the closest we'll get.
09/05/2011 10:25:00 PM
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Nice assumption
09/05/2011 10:32:35 PM
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If it became a habit it would be annoying, yeah, but is there reason to think it would?
10/05/2011 01:33:50 AM
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Human nature
10/05/2011 11:21:05 AM
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Human nature is to learn from mistakes, and that's not significantly less likely under either system
11/05/2011 08:58:06 AM
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If RAFO wants to attract new members....
09/05/2011 10:55:36 PM
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You can guarantee a large amount of people will leave if that vile phpBB type board is introduced
09/05/2011 11:01:43 PM
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I see it the opposite way
10/05/2011 12:04:42 AM
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It shouldn't be an either/or, a choice between retaining wotmaniacs or welcoming new members.
10/05/2011 02:00:04 AM
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While I agree with everyone who hates BB boards...
16/05/2011 06:26:04 AM
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I like the slider from nested to pages, yeah, thanks.
16/05/2011 06:54:02 AM
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Oh, my
16/05/2011 07:10:17 AM
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They're dumping the blue jerseys for home games.
16/05/2011 07:49:04 AM
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Re: They're dumping the blue jerseys for home games.
16/05/2011 07:58:55 AM
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Re: They're dumping the blue jerseys for home games.
16/05/2011 09:22:44 PM
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Re: They're dumping the blue jerseys for home games.
18/05/2011 09:21:13 AM
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I'd probably like it better if I weren't such an awful hitter.
18/05/2011 11:20:06 PM
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I adore our set up.
09/05/2011 11:05:34 PM
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Explanation, please.
10/05/2011 05:50:20 PM
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I love that there are many examples of why this board style is a good thing in this thread.
10/05/2011 10:59:03 PM
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There are also many counterexamples; depends on your perspective.
11/05/2011 09:08:19 AM
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it's a bug, not a feature
11/05/2011 06:45:29 PM
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I may be misinterpreting, and maybe this is the catch 22 (you don't read my posts.)
11/05/2011 08:18:32 PM
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I believe the way of counting active visitors has changed, though.
11/05/2011 08:25:27 PM
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He did say something like that, yes; wotmania counted people active for AGES after the logout.
11/05/2011 10:01:56 PM
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No, it's very much a feature, and that's coming from someone who shares your preference and reasons.
11/05/2011 09:44:51 PM
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It's so much a feature to me, that I'd leave if it went to BB. Also, tangents.
12/05/2011 05:40:45 PM
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I agree, I hate this old MBstyle. Its time to leave the dark ages. *NM*
13/05/2011 03:01:50 PM
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Your brain is just addled by hormones.
13/05/2011 03:14:27 PM
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Hva addled hjernen min?
13/05/2011 04:36:14 PM
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Acknowledgement of me as your ruler *NM*
09/05/2011 07:12:31 PM
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"JESUS is our only ruler!"
10/05/2011 03:00:01 AM
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IRV is terrible, and is the worst option other than FPTP
10/05/2011 06:07:27 PM
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But Borda isn't Condorcet complete either.
11/05/2011 08:45:05 AM
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Smiley Reduction/Alteration?
09/05/2011 07:30:25 PM
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Also with quotes and close brackets. <---- This is WEIRD.
09/05/2011 07:34:13 PM
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That is quite possibly my biggest annoyance with the whole site.
09/05/2011 07:40:48 PM
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Nothing really big, apart from what others have said, and less that's new.
09/05/2011 07:54:03 PM
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How about a music MB?
09/05/2011 08:00:33 PM
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I think it wouldn't be used much.
09/05/2011 08:08:52 PM
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Yeah a post on the Com MB every other week works just fine. *NM*
09/05/2011 08:16:49 PM
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Or turn the TV & Movie board into a pop culture board we'd just need to get rid of the rubbish admin
09/05/2011 09:13:41 PM
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Stop being a brat!
09/05/2011 09:57:35 PM
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But it is Jens!
09/05/2011 10:16:23 PM
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Re: I think it wouldn't be used much.
09/05/2011 08:36:05 PM
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collapsing of extended thread nests
09/05/2011 11:09:23 PM
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pfft. get a wider screen. problem solved. *NM*
10/05/2011 04:06:51 PM
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Nah, it would also be nice to not have to go past all of that to get to part of a post you actually
15/05/2011 04:37:48 PM
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Quick question, how many users are registered here? *NM*
10/05/2011 01:38:37 AM
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I think the search page User List gives a good estimate (~725 total, counts/MB inside).
10/05/2011 02:44:50 AM
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It doesn't
13/05/2011 10:29:32 AM
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That surprises me, but I'm glad to have a (much) more accurate number, thanks.
13/05/2011 04:16:14 PM
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Now that I'm thinking of Quick Polls: Maybe require voters to login during the feedback phase?
10/05/2011 03:05:51 AM
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Anyone else notice that everyone replying participates on the book, tv + movies and comm boards
10/05/2011 02:18:08 PM
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It doesn't help that we make them feel like a blemish on the RAFO scene.
10/05/2011 04:45:33 PM
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Yeah, I don't get why the WOTlers aren't interested in saying something anywhere else
11/05/2011 09:54:50 AM
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I think it's as simple as a lot of them just being WoT fans (which is not a crime. )
11/05/2011 06:20:08 PM
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I can agree to that. Provided of course, being a dan brown fan is still punishable by a severe...
11/05/2011 06:30:08 PM
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You put me in a difficult position, caught between two important principles.
11/05/2011 08:22:33 PM
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Hey, reply to the right post
11/05/2011 08:58:30 PM
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I did, I just merged another one; I usually do, but can't with nesting.
11/05/2011 11:01:16 PM
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You put me in a difficult position, caught between two important principles.
11/05/2011 08:52:04 PM
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I've seen most people who've replied post on the WoTMB at least occasionally.
11/05/2011 11:26:44 PM
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You are clearly wrong.
12/05/2011 04:58:34 PM
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Its prime ended before the split? Bah, you old geezers always hassle us kids for livin' our life!
12/05/2011 07:32:02 PM
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Report post, moderation powers to all boards, spoiler tags, NM bug, bug submitter's name displayed.
10/05/2011 05:59:58 PM
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Re: your suggestions
10/05/2011 11:03:00 PM
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Re: your suggestions
11/05/2011 08:24:38 AM
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It's just that...
11/05/2011 06:04:46 PM
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hahaha that's understandable. Well, leave me off the upgraded powers list, then.
11/05/2011 07:46:01 PM
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Whoa. You can change quote styles? News to me. *NM*
11/05/2011 10:02:10 PM
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It's all there, in the help section at the top of the board.
12/05/2011 04:50:44 PM
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Shush, you. *NM*
13/05/2011 08:56:05 AM
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Regarding the forum style
10/05/2011 11:17:50 PM
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I support any improvement that won't impair functionality for others.
11/05/2011 05:26:02 PM
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Just an observation/question about post-clicking
11/05/2011 05:42:30 PM
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It's a real pain in the ass when the site's running slow.
11/05/2011 07:14:20 PM
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Or your internet is; I've spent about 4 hours now reading and responding to less than a dozen posts.
11/05/2011 07:31:17 PM
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It's more than laziness, yes.
11/05/2011 07:53:52 PM
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Active Users: 51
11/05/2011 01:19:25 AM
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Also
11/05/2011 04:36:17 AM
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Who asked to be added to the Skype thing and was completely ignored?
12/05/2011 06:32:00 AM
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I wonder if there is a way to make the Search function work...
11/05/2011 09:56:54 AM
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There is an easy fix for that.
11/05/2011 06:09:10 PM
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Links in posts - can they not take us to a new page but to a new tab/window, please?
12/05/2011 05:49:23 PM
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It's not, but a simple right-click and select "Open in new tab" does the job in FF, at least.
12/05/2011 10:40:27 PM
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Clicking links with your scroll wheel opens them in a new tab. *NM*
12/05/2011 11:32:29 PM
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some kind of "reply all" feature?
13/05/2011 06:35:15 AM
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Not sure about implementation, but I like this; I wouldn't want pages as much with this.
13/05/2011 04:21:27 PM
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Two things: facebook and searching within a post
13/05/2011 03:07:37 PM
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I can add a comment for Facebook liking.
13/05/2011 06:48:16 PM
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Maybe it's another IE vs. Firefox thing.
13/05/2011 08:52:53 PM
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I use chrome
13/05/2011 09:47:06 PM
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Works now, looks like; thanks to Bekah (or apologies to Ben if I missed it earlier).
21/05/2011 10:29:26 PM
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Make me an Admin!
13/05/2011 04:17:59 PM
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Of what, exactly? You have no discernible skills beside account corruption. *NM*
13/05/2011 06:27:51 PM
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I demand silence from the peanut gallery! *NM*
15/05/2011 02:25:52 AM
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Since I don't think anyone else has mentioned it here - HTML
15/05/2011 09:00:39 PM
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The email alerts for NBs option is coming (I think).
15/05/2011 11:22:58 PM
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I hope so. I hate going onto the forum and replying "check noteboard" so they get an alert *NM*
25/06/2011 04:39:43 PM
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WYSIWYG! *NM*
27/05/2011 02:25:49 PM
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is inherently evil. *NM*
27/05/2011 02:40:51 PM
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...and yet inherently accessible to the non-geek masses
30/05/2011 02:34:58 AM
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As I said...
30/05/2011 08:55:32 AM
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We could always just put a banner on the home page that says, "no non-geeks need apply".
26/06/2011 12:00:31 AM
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A redesigned home page!
22/05/2011 04:26:27 AM
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Unhh... Privacy statement?
19/07/2011 06:14:49 PM
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"Rules" would be a better place, IMHO; we're told at least one of those links should soon work.
22/07/2011 04:08:54 PM
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Thanks for the response / comment, Josh
23/07/2011 08:59:02 AM
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I assume it just means people are too busy working on the site to answer immediately.
23/07/2011 02:06:48 PM
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Admins should be able to move Posts into an already existing thread
20/07/2011 02:52:05 PM
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since most of us are science fiction fans as well as fantasy fans...
22/07/2011 07:56:29 PM
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Feel free to use the Science category on this (the Community) MB *NM*
23/07/2011 04:35:06 AM
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