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Thank you for that rousing argument against married priests. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 12/05/2011 03:36:51 AM
"It is better to marry than burn" is hardly a seal of approval.

For that matter, why are we letting women in the priesthood? We don't know if that's okay either. I mean, sure, we know they can be Christians, but are we sure it's okay for them to LEAD Christians? I personally am not convinced either way, and since I have trouble dealing with change I don't think anybody anywhere should take chances. Risk is just so un-Christian.


tl;dr Aren't you glad you're not a Presbyterian.
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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Presbyterian Church (USA) passes Amendment 10-A. Dannymac - 11/05/2011 05:39:29 PM 1335 Views
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I am happy to see this. *NM* Ghavrel - 11/05/2011 07:22:59 PM 317 Views
Homosexuals must die! Dark Knight - 11/05/2011 08:25:25 PM 999 Views
I agree! This sort of behavior can NOT be excused!!! LadyLorraine - 11/05/2011 10:38:16 PM 654 Views
Yay!!. Amys - 11/05/2011 10:38:51 PM 828 Views
Glad to hear it. *NM* Legolas - 11/05/2011 10:46:39 PM 382 Views
Well done. *NM* Camilla - 11/05/2011 11:07:22 PM 323 Views
What's the language? Did they at least TRY to give a doctrinal justification? Joel - 12/05/2011 02:10:46 AM 835 Views
Thank you for that rousing argument against married priests. Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 03:36:51 AM 824 Views
Why ARE you letting women into the priesthood? Tom - 12/05/2011 04:16:50 AM 771 Views
Because Episcopalians don't listen to the Bible much. Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 05:47:03 AM 714 Views
That's just fine as far as I'm concerned Tom - 12/05/2011 02:23:44 PM 712 Views
Yes, I suppose a church could go that route. Ghavrel - 14/05/2011 07:38:02 AM 681 Views
I'm not attempting to impose a dichotomy on the Bible. Tom - 14/05/2011 03:25:30 PM 740 Views
I don't even know what following the Bible in its entirety means. Ghavrel - 14/05/2011 09:09:10 PM 914 Views
As an exercise, I tried to think of how I would justify allowing homosexuals as clergy. Tom - 14/05/2011 04:19:43 PM 718 Views
Wow. Joel - 20/05/2011 10:15:21 AM 748 Views
Thanks (I'm actually OK with women priests though). Joel - 12/05/2011 07:09:11 AM 792 Views
It's more a question of interpretational standards. Tom - 12/05/2011 02:29:43 PM 683 Views
Agreed. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:17:45 AM 768 Views
There's ample precedent for female religious leaders, even within the bible. Joel - 12/05/2011 06:51:05 AM 822 Views
Since when is Moses' society the be-all end all? Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:12:41 PM 702 Views
Since never, which is why I referenced five other eras you completely ignored. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:11:30 AM 804 Views
They did so, via negativa. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:22:17 PM 862 Views
Sorry for the delay, particularly since it looks like I'll be spending a fair amount of time here. Joel - 14/05/2011 12:31:33 AM 661 Views
Your church has a constitution?! Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 03:36:41 AM 723 Views
My Church has a congress! *NM* Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 03:37:52 AM 366 Views
Haha no way! *NM* Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 03:46:32 AM 319 Views
Well, we have one group of laity and one of bishops, so it is only mildy utter chaos. *NM* Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 05:51:09 AM 344 Views
We have a General Assembly and a Moderator. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:18:34 PM 815 Views
I had no idea the US was based on that system. Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 06:22:58 PM 645 Views
It is pretty common practice random thoughts - 12/05/2011 06:54:02 PM 686 Views
Oh I'm sure it is with newer churches. Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 10:49:11 PM 742 Views
I'm happy to hear this, personally. I also wonder how you reconcile this with the Bible. Tom - 12/05/2011 04:11:31 AM 908 Views
Every direct reference to homosexuality in the Bible is a reference to rape. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:12:43 PM 738 Views
Every single word that you wrote in your response is complete bullshit. Tom - 12/05/2011 05:50:07 PM 850 Views
Knock off your eisegesis, try some exegesis Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:02:45 PM 790 Views
I'm trying to figure out just what your "gifts" are, because I don't see any. Tom - 12/05/2011 07:30:39 PM 761 Views
There are cases in which hypocrisy is far better than the alternatives. Legolas - 12/05/2011 10:04:32 PM 835 Views
Hypocrisy is better than, say, setting gays on fire, yes. Tom - 12/05/2011 10:10:40 PM 795 Views
My statement is that, from a pragmatic point of view, hypocrisy shouldn't be discouraged too much. Legolas - 13/05/2011 10:05:39 PM 801 Views
I strongly and vehemently disagree with your position. Tom - 13/05/2011 10:21:10 PM 680 Views
Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? Dannymac - 13/05/2011 06:29:31 PM 757 Views
Re: Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? Jacob - 13/05/2011 07:02:35 PM 737 Views
I'm not playing. I'm pointing out some glaring errors on your part. Tom - 13/05/2011 07:25:08 PM 679 Views
Danny will correct me if I'm wrong, but... Legolas - 13/05/2011 09:55:14 PM 866 Views
Danny persistently refuses to say that Tom - 13/05/2011 10:13:55 PM 792 Views
And with respect to your textual point, once again you're wrong Tom - 12/05/2011 07:44:10 PM 882 Views
The Bible says what it says. The problem... people like to tell us just what else it's saying. Jacob - 13/05/2011 05:31:29 PM 700 Views
You're a fucking moron. *NM* Dan - 15/05/2011 11:11:08 PM 350 Views
You make a very important but too often overlooked point. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:54:40 AM 820 Views
??? the bible was harsher on homosexulaity than on rape random thoughts - 12/05/2011 06:56:43 PM 714 Views
Read Judges. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:17:29 PM 715 Views
You don't reconcile... you pick the parts you like and adjust the rest to suit you. TaskmasterJack - 13/05/2011 09:33:54 PM 662 Views
And you add in some New Age music and a little ankh as well *NM* Tom - 14/05/2011 02:35:27 AM 325 Views
Another example... Bramhodoulos - 12/05/2011 09:19:52 AM 655 Views
That's what people said about churches opposing slavery. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:06:26 PM 713 Views
I rest my case *NM* Bramhodoulos - 12/05/2011 04:48:32 PM 313 Views
That is a false dichotomy and we both know it. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:07:19 AM 713 Views
If you claim to follow the entire Bible, then you are completely correct. Tom - 12/05/2011 06:04:38 PM 631 Views
On the contrary, this move will take some butts out of the seats. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:16:22 PM 692 Views
We both know that isn't the case Tom - 12/05/2011 07:55:41 PM 799 Views
Whatever your issue is, get over it. Dannymac - 13/05/2011 06:17:26 PM 675 Views
You'd be a lot more effective... Jacob - 13/05/2011 06:45:31 PM 776 Views
You haven't adequately expressed your theology Tom - 13/05/2011 07:28:54 PM 771 Views
Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels beetnemesis - 12/05/2011 05:33:49 PM 761 Views
No Protestant denomination has added so much as a word to the Bible Tom - 12/05/2011 05:58:16 PM 639 Views
So, everyone hates Judith, then? beetnemesis - 12/05/2011 06:40:11 PM 700 Views
The Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Churches accept Judith as part of Scripture. Tom - 12/05/2011 07:51:27 PM 676 Views
Does the Eastern Orthodox Church also segregate deuterocanonical works like Roman Catholicism does? Joel - 14/05/2011 02:19:03 AM 983 Views
The Eastern Church bases everything on the Septuagint. Tom - 14/05/2011 02:34:41 AM 726 Views
That sounds appealing, and makes sense. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:44:56 AM 748 Views
Oh, I just enjoy calling Protestants "heretics" to remind them not everyone agrees with them. Tom - 14/05/2011 03:25:42 AM 687 Views
Oh, but they know that; in many cases, they exult in it. Joel - 14/05/2011 06:06:01 AM 692 Views
Re: Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels Isaac - 12/05/2011 08:52:48 PM 710 Views
The NIV is terrible. The NASB has the best translation I have found (of the NT, at least). Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 10:43:58 PM 848 Views
I find this really weird, to be honest beetnemesis - 13/05/2011 05:48:28 AM 718 Views
Well, it wasn't just Athanasius. But yes, we are lucky in that respect. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/05/2011 06:32:48 AM 301 Views
Athanasius's list reflected the victory of Pauline Christianity Tom - 13/05/2011 02:52:53 PM 677 Views
There's a school of thought that says that's a strong vindication of Athanasius. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:37:49 AM 617 Views
Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... Isaac - 13/05/2011 07:14:01 PM 665 Views
Re: Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... Dannymac - 15/05/2011 03:18:23 PM 1079 Views
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