Because your link it really just random speculation. I think it would make more sense that they first learned his nick name then had to use fieldwork to find other sources for his real name. But of course that doesn't fit into the neat reality liberals have built for themselves so they just create a new one.
I don't know that they got this information form water boarding KSM but it is more likely than they fairytale your blogger through together where he held out until the questioners starting being nice and then he gave up the name. Wishing something was true doesn't make it true, sorry. I do understand how this issue hurts the delicate liberal mindset though. Since liberals tend to accept their believe systems as fact things that challenge those belief systems are often hard to accept and here we have two giant liberal truths being challenged. It is probably to much to ask a liberal to open his mind to the twin possibilities that harsh interrogation and Bush both played key roles in what they are heralding as proof that Obama will does posses leadership skills despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Here is link and quote
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/121139389.html?cmpid=15585797
Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said
As a side note, whatever nut jobs claiming, it does not make sense to claim waterboarding shows credible results since:
a) KSM did not revealed his name under waterboarding (quote above), the real name was obtained several years later. It does not make sense KSM did not know the name since he's so close to OBL;
The trail started with the nickname they received from KSM. It took years to trace that nickname to a real name and even more years to find the person the name was attached to but it all started with KSM.
b) he was waterboarded >180 times in one months, which means he didn't reveal anything credible being waterboraded more than 6 times a day;
He revealed what he knew, the nick name of the courier which eventually led to OBL.
c) waterboarding been done in 2003, but trail grew cold in 2005, meaning whatever waterboarding produced were not credible;
That is bold statement, to bad it disagrees with the reality.
d) Rumsfeld, Cheyney did not know about the courier lead was effective, which they confirmed appearing on Monday shows. Do you honestly believe they would not jump on it for several years considering how they were trying justify torture in 2009 in all MSM?
Sorry that really doesn't make much sense. Are you saying they should have been bragging about having the nickname of OBL's courier years ago? Or maybe you are inplying that they couldn't have known we recieved valubale information because they didn't know about this. Not sure where you were going with that but in both cases it doesn't follow. Int he first the information would be worthless if revealed in the second you assume they were not refering to the information you know nothing about.
e) In 2006, Bush dismantled the CIA group that was tasked with hunting OBL, meaning, whatever guys produced was not much;
Again A doesn't follow B. They did not stop hunting OBL dispite the rhetoric. He changed his approach and did not broadcast his methods to the media. You seem to believe the hunt for OBL had stopped and we only caught him because Obama started looking for him again. I have not heard one credible source say anything to support that idea, instead I have heard the opposite, that Bush ask for updates on finding OBL on a regular basis. I know that isn't the narrative some in the media are selling but that is what happens when group takes over your media.
I could go on. As I said, it just does not add up.
You could go on but you are correct your position just does not add up.
As side note 2, maybe waterboarding did produce the courier lead, maybe not. But the point is, this lead could've been produced by regular means of interrogation as well! The whole point of the OBL killing operation proves it: more field operations, more tech wise guys, more analysis, etc. Claiming that the waterboarding was The Reason the outcome was achieved is dishonest at best.
You made a claim not a point. It is easy to claim we could have gotten he information some other way but it took a lot to get what did so it is purely a matter of faith to believe he would have given up the information simply because we asked nice. There is a legitimate argument to be made that we should not use such techniques no matter what but it is BS to claim you know we have gotten the information without it.
As per ABC News - waterboarding worked in the locating/killing OBL.....
- 02/05/2011 07:06:12 PM
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Many other violent methods would have worked as well, I'm sure.
- 02/05/2011 07:41:58 PM
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I have always been 100% okay with "torturing" the 4 terrorists via waterboarding.....
- 02/05/2011 08:07:56 PM
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Yeah... but you think those 4 were the only ones? *NM*
- 02/05/2011 08:11:48 PM
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I have no evidence/reason to think the government is lying about waterboarding.
- 02/05/2011 08:18:34 PM
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Nah, they probably got that tidbit withholding their daily Doritos ration.
- 02/05/2011 08:28:49 PM
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Unless you can provide an actual link, this is just speculation by commentators. *NM*
- 02/05/2011 09:48:55 PM
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I beleive if they hadn't torture them, we would've got the info much earlier
- 02/05/2011 10:39:02 PM
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You have ifs and maybes, I have the facts and what happened. Waterboarding won this round.
- 03/05/2011 04:07:24 AM
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post your facts if you have them. so far you have offered nothing.... *NM*
- 03/05/2011 04:16:03 PM
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you believe it because a blogger said so or is it simply a matter of faith?
- 03/05/2011 05:26:53 PM
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Re: you believe it because a blogger said so or is it simply a matter of faith?
- 03/05/2011 08:12:37 PM
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Leon Panette disagrees with you
- 06/05/2011 04:12:24 PM
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Well, according to Rumsfeld, waterboarding connection is bullshit.
- 03/05/2011 01:07:58 AM
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Having a Pakistani government not in complicity with AQ would be better than waterboarding. *NM*
- 03/05/2011 02:13:56 PM
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it's as much of a link as the breakfast you had 6 years ago making you crash your car today
- 03/05/2011 04:18:29 PM
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Re: it's as much of a link as the breakfast you had 6 years ago making you crash your car today
- 06/05/2011 12:43:26 PM
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torture was against our beliefs the first 225 years of our existence....
- 06/05/2011 04:16:19 PM
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