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That's actually the big issue, in my view beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 02/05/2011 07:48:06 PM
The excuse we give for acting as we do in foreign matters is often that we're fighting for freedom, or democracy, or peace, or to save people. That moral high ground can vanish if we're not careful, and then it just turns into "We're doing this because we want to."
I amuse myself.
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As per ABC News - waterboarding worked in the locating/killing OBL..... trzaska2000 - 02/05/2011 07:06:12 PM 798 Views
Many other violent methods would have worked as well, I'm sure. nossy - 02/05/2011 07:41:58 PM 522 Views
That's actually the big issue, in my view beetnemesis - 02/05/2011 07:48:06 PM 462 Views
I have always been 100% okay with "torturing" the 4 terrorists via waterboarding..... trzaska2000 - 02/05/2011 08:07:56 PM 490 Views
Yeah... but you think those 4 were the only ones? *NM* beetnemesis - 02/05/2011 08:11:48 PM 212 Views
I have no evidence/reason to think the government is lying about waterboarding. trzaska2000 - 02/05/2011 08:18:34 PM 455 Views
Are you able to ask that w/o any sarcasm? nossy - 02/05/2011 09:29:41 PM 467 Views
Er, yes? beetnemesis - 03/05/2011 01:10:37 AM 474 Views
Of course torture sometimes works. beetnemesis - 02/05/2011 07:45:01 PM 472 Views
Ends, means, yadda, yadda, yadda. *NM* Dannymac - 02/05/2011 08:09:13 PM 199 Views
Nah, they probably got that tidbit withholding their daily Doritos ration. TaskmasterJack - 02/05/2011 08:28:49 PM 497 Views
Unless you can provide an actual link, this is just speculation by commentators. *NM* Variant - 02/05/2011 09:48:55 PM 226 Views
I beleive if they hadn't torture them, we would've got the info much earlier Skeeve the Great - 02/05/2011 10:39:02 PM 756 Views
You have ifs and maybes, I have the facts and what happened. Waterboarding won this round. trzaska2000 - 03/05/2011 04:07:24 AM 489 Views
You can wish. Waterboarding did nothing to help. *NM* Skeeve the Great - 03/05/2011 07:36:40 AM 222 Views
Quotes about so-called "waterboarding help" Skeeve the Great - 03/05/2011 04:00:13 PM 488 Views
post your facts if you have them. so far you have offered nothing.... *NM* moondog - 03/05/2011 04:16:03 PM 222 Views
you believe it because a blogger said so or is it simply a matter of faith? random thoughts - 03/05/2011 05:26:53 PM 552 Views
Re: you believe it because a blogger said so or is it simply a matter of faith? Skeeve the Great - 03/05/2011 08:12:37 PM 634 Views
Leon Panette disagrees with you random thoughts - 06/05/2011 04:12:24 PM 566 Views
Epic. Dragonsoul - 02/05/2011 10:46:39 PM 512 Views
Well, according to Rumsfeld, waterboarding connection is bullshit. Skeeve the Great - 03/05/2011 01:07:58 AM 734 Views
Having a Pakistani government not in complicity with AQ would be better than waterboarding. *NM* Macharius - 03/05/2011 02:13:56 PM 199 Views
Any actual facts on this yet? snoopcester - 03/05/2011 04:04:38 PM 457 Views
it's as much of a link as the breakfast you had 6 years ago making you crash your car today moondog - 03/05/2011 04:18:29 PM 445 Views
Re: it's as much of a link as the breakfast you had 6 years ago making you crash your car today dart_board - 06/05/2011 12:43:26 PM 553 Views
torture was against our beliefs the first 225 years of our existence.... moondog - 06/05/2011 04:16:19 PM 438 Views
horseshit random thoughts - 06/05/2011 04:14:57 PM 438 Views
come on you know torture doesn't work. The experts said so *NM* random thoughts - 03/05/2011 05:13:12 PM 214 Views
Water boarding is not torture dart_board - 06/05/2011 12:41:06 PM 415 Views
Re: Water boarding is not torture Skeeve the Great - 06/05/2011 06:25:33 PM 484 Views
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