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Re: No, actually MalkierKnight Send a noteboard - 19/04/2011 05:19:51 AM
Or someone has admitted it's a valid concern?

If you're referring to the former then you're wrong. Obama has only ever produced a certification of live birth, which is not a birth certificate and significantly easier to obtain. In the state of hawaii these count for the same thing. however they are, strictly speaking, not the same. And this is so for a reason, I presume.

Again, not questioning it, I just think it's stupid not to put a rumor which is so easily quieted to rest.



Thanks for the link, but it didn't really help me understand why people consider a Certification of Live Birth insufficient proof. The link repeats many time that it is in fact a valid birth certificate.



It says very clearly that they are different, but allowed to count for the same thing in Hawaii. The reason for this is that Hawaii has privacy laws to keep the actual certificate of live birth private, for whatever reason. The actual birth certificate has more information, a signature and is more fundamental than the certification. This meaning that one cannot have a certification, presumably, without a certificate, hence why they count for the same, but strictly speaking, if you were being really suspicious, a certification is easier to doctor. On top of that, it might not contain the same information.

Honestly, I think Obama just doesn't want people to see what's on that certificate. It probably says he's a muslim, which really doesn't matter, imo. But he has fought in the courts to keep it private.
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WTF arizona? moondog - 15/04/2011 04:28:19 PM 1941 Views
I think it's more payback than anything else, what exactly are you objecting to anyway? Isaac - 15/04/2011 04:46:17 PM 864 Views
Yeah, I'm going "wait, they didn't have to do that yet?" here as well. Legolas - 15/04/2011 08:40:44 PM 766 Views
It is a bit of an oversight not to have that Isaac - 15/04/2011 09:41:40 PM 948 Views
that's because they're morons. LadyLorraine - 16/04/2011 03:36:54 AM 878 Views
Re: that's because they're morons. Isaac - 16/04/2011 04:27:04 AM 738 Views
I wouldn't ACTUALLY hunt boars with a boar spear, but that's because I'm too little LadyLorraine - 16/04/2011 04:44:14 AM 909 Views
I think everyone's too little Isaac - 16/04/2011 02:20:29 PM 902 Views
it's the spirit, not the letter, of the law that i have a problem with moondog - 15/04/2011 10:19:27 PM 825 Views
Surprisingly, many politicians are mean-spirited Isaac - 16/04/2011 02:31:37 AM 816 Views
if any of those examples were legislated by a state house, you'd have a stronger argument.... moondog - 16/04/2011 07:23:49 AM 766 Views
I believe I gave you state examples already Isaac - 16/04/2011 01:55:37 PM 702 Views
it's moot at this point, but.... moondog - 19/04/2011 05:31:29 AM 785 Views
I can't believe this thread is still going... Isaac - 20/04/2011 12:58:52 AM 871 Views
I call shenanigans on Seel Stephen - 15/04/2011 04:48:48 PM 812 Views
really becasue Obama has already produced enough documents to clear this bar random thoughts - 17/04/2011 01:04:39 AM 790 Views
The article is wrong on one key point. Obama has not produced a birth certificate random thoughts - 15/04/2011 04:50:21 PM 896 Views
Yes he has. Don't act like a fool. Tom - 15/04/2011 05:02:58 PM 966 Views
sorry but it is not the same so don't act like a fool random thoughts - 15/04/2011 06:04:19 PM 918 Views
It's clear that he was born in the US. Tom - 15/04/2011 06:54:28 PM 872 Views
Care to point out where you believe I was defending them? random thoughts - 15/04/2011 07:37:39 PM 835 Views
You say that Obama hasn't produced a birth certificate, when he has. Tom - 15/04/2011 07:47:54 PM 774 Views
Re: sorry but it is not the same so don't act like a fool Skeeve the Great - 15/04/2011 10:45:03 PM 742 Views
Why is it racist? random thoughts - 17/04/2011 12:49:02 AM 765 Views
What exactly is the difference between certificates? LadyLorraine - 16/04/2011 12:13:04 AM 848 Views
One is the origianl document and one is a certificate created when it is requested. random thoughts - 17/04/2011 12:44:27 AM 871 Views
Then you need be be more clear because that is not what you said. LadyLorraine - 17/04/2011 03:14:03 AM 824 Views
OK I will try to be clearer random thoughts - 18/04/2011 03:03:56 AM 819 Views
Why should he show it? everynametaken - 16/04/2011 11:38:53 PM 774 Views
I personally have no problem with him not showing it random thoughts - 17/04/2011 12:38:42 AM 893 Views
Presumably you want his certificate of stillbirth as well? Tim - 16/04/2011 12:59:22 PM 804 Views
thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM* random thoughts - 17/04/2011 12:50:55 AM 435 Views
thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM* random thoughts - 17/04/2011 12:50:56 AM 400 Views
I wish the birthers would stop waste everyone's time and focus on actual policies of Obama's. Tom - 15/04/2011 04:59:01 PM 917 Views
Actually nossy - 15/04/2011 06:12:41 PM 875 Views
This LadyLorraine - 15/04/2011 11:59:47 PM 726 Views
He already has Roland00 - 16/04/2011 07:41:43 AM 847 Views
I'm not referring to Obama. Just anyone who wants to be anyone in the future. *NM* nossy - 16/04/2011 02:01:25 PM 380 Views
Don't we already do this? The_Muted_Grimaud - 15/04/2011 06:24:29 PM 816 Views
actually there isn't random thoughts - 15/04/2011 07:43:47 PM 884 Views
He did produce his Certificate of Live Birth and was approved to run for President. Case closed. everynametaken - 16/04/2011 11:42:05 PM 856 Views
do you have link for that? *NM* random thoughts - 17/04/2011 01:17:51 AM 419 Views
In all fairness to the discussion I do not. everynametaken - 19/04/2011 04:24:30 AM 821 Views
It was a certificaTION of live birth and not a certificate MalkierKnight - 19/04/2011 03:51:29 PM 965 Views
Which is a form of birth certificate Floffe - 20/04/2011 08:45:41 AM 898 Views
Meh, who cares? ßelals Girl - 15/04/2011 07:31:22 PM 853 Views
we're the 14 year old boy of the U.S. *NM* Jessie - 16/04/2011 03:37:51 AM 389 Views
Re: I actually find the whole thing hilarious, and I hope it continues. Gaps - 16/04/2011 01:33:34 AM 866 Views
What's the problem? Show your birth certficate, problem solved. *NM* trzaska2000 - 16/04/2011 03:32:37 AM 418 Views
problem was solved awhile ago when he produced his birth certificate. what are you holding onto? *NM* moondog - 16/04/2011 07:29:39 AM 424 Views
Perhaps he's responding to the actual post, and not talking about Obama this time? *NM* Tim - 16/04/2011 12:56:50 PM 394 Views
As per the Constitution, Congress already verifies eligibility. Of each President. TaskmasterJack - 16/04/2011 03:36:06 PM 803 Views
Did you mean to reply to me or to the main post? *NM* Tim - 16/04/2011 03:44:38 PM 406 Views
You. Well, the trzaska subthread in general. Although it applies to the overall topic equally. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 16/04/2011 03:53:38 PM 386 Views
Which is why I would think even if this law passes it will be tossed as it should. everynametaken - 16/04/2011 11:44:50 PM 787 Views
staes control who can be on their ballot *NM* random thoughts - 17/04/2011 01:18:24 AM 395 Views
staes control who can be on their ballot *NM* random thoughts - 17/04/2011 01:18:24 AM 414 Views
Supposedly the FEC only has jurisdiction over matters of campaign finance. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 17/04/2011 03:24:39 AM 484 Views
as per you pulled that out of your ass random thoughts - 17/04/2011 01:16:15 AM 779 Views
Actually it wasn't my ass, it was an anti-Obama political blogging site's ass. TaskmasterJack - 17/04/2011 03:56:35 AM 846 Views
not only is no one in charge of making sure the president meets all the qualifications random thoughts - 18/04/2011 02:51:16 AM 831 Views
To make things even more fun in this thread... Larry - 18/04/2011 03:50:43 AM 864 Views
Re: To make things even more fun in this thread... moondog - 19/04/2011 04:24:05 AM 747 Views
That wasn't the point Larry - 21/04/2011 05:48:04 AM 791 Views
I am not a birther, but WTF makes you a nutjob for this? MalkierKnight - 18/04/2011 08:40:15 AM 986 Views
read above, he has. *NM* LadyLorraine - 18/04/2011 02:47:25 PM 395 Views
Provided a birth certificate? MalkierKnight - 18/04/2011 02:51:56 PM 1185 Views
Why is a Certification of Live Birth insufficient? Aeryn - 18/04/2011 08:43:34 PM 874 Views
because it's easier to push a non-issue than it is to work on something constructive i guess.... moondog - 19/04/2011 04:27:31 AM 720 Views
No, actually MalkierKnight - 19/04/2011 05:18:52 AM 916 Views
Re: No, actually MalkierKnight - 19/04/2011 05:19:51 AM 894 Views
Since when is religion hereditary? Aeryn - 19/04/2011 02:57:30 PM 922 Views
Re: Since when is religion hereditary? MalkierKnight - 19/04/2011 03:10:27 PM 863 Views
Re: Since when is religion hereditary? snoopcester - 19/04/2011 03:32:10 PM 954 Views
I don't think it's as strong a claim as you make it out to be MalkierKnight - 19/04/2011 03:39:01 PM 1061 Views
I think it is for some people. snoopcester - 19/04/2011 03:55:45 PM 749 Views
how many previous presidents have had to prove their place of birth? moondog - 19/04/2011 04:34:42 PM 787 Views
with how many has it been in doubt? *NM* random thoughts - 19/04/2011 05:08:18 PM 430 Views
why doubt this one beyond all others? *NM* moondog - 19/04/2011 06:45:24 PM 377 Views
people always find some reason to doubt the legitimacy of a president they don't like random thoughts - 19/04/2011 09:01:33 PM 956 Views
Brewer vetoes the bill! Skeeve the Great - 19/04/2011 02:31:50 AM 1000 Views
yay, she's not as much of a nutjob as i once thought she was! moondog - 19/04/2011 04:28:05 AM 882 Views
yes she is, don't let her fool you *NM* LadyLorraine - 19/04/2011 04:31:10 PM 342 Views
i didn't say she's not, just not as much as i thought before *NM* moondog - 19/04/2011 04:37:34 PM 389 Views
good. maybe they will move on to more important things *NM* random thoughts - 19/04/2011 02:41:34 PM 355 Views
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