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Sadly enough, one of my favorite explanations of religion came from someone discussing a video game. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 13/04/2011 04:12:23 AM
"The world is understood through metaphors. Language is a metaphor-system. Mathematics is a metaphor-system. All real-world schools of magic and religion revolve around the understanding of vast metaphor-systems, symbols as they relate to concepts."

And I very much like the ruler for windspeed analogy.
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

Ghavrel is Ghavrel is Ghavrel

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Questions about souls... Antigone - 12/04/2011 03:06:54 AM 2146 Views
Re: Questions about souls... @my - 12/04/2011 03:23:00 AM 1187 Views
All right. Vivien - 12/04/2011 05:50:08 AM 1162 Views
Re: Questions about souls... temeraire - 12/04/2011 06:27:14 AM 1142 Views
It would really depend on the mechanism Isaac - 12/04/2011 06:28:24 AM 1019 Views
You assume we all know, and agree on, what "soul" means. Tim - 12/04/2011 08:42:47 AM 1064 Views
It is what hope, which is a thing with feathers, perches on. Vivien - 12/04/2011 07:32:07 PM 1122 Views
But seriously, what does it do? Aeryn - 12/04/2011 11:01:58 PM 1121 Views
It makes poems pretty. Vivien - 13/04/2011 07:00:03 PM 1143 Views
Re: Yeah, exactly. Gaps - 15/04/2011 02:43:24 AM 1111 Views
Just going off the 'reborn' thing.. MightyYT - 12/04/2011 08:53:28 AM 1044 Views
Hm. nossy - 12/04/2011 03:22:01 PM 1163 Views
Agreed. Joel - 12/04/2011 05:49:11 PM 1009 Views
it wouldn't change much for me, but I'm pretty flexible in my spiritual beliefs LadyLorraine - 12/04/2011 04:23:34 PM 1151 Views
This. *NM* Avendesora - 13/04/2011 04:15:11 PM 612 Views
Re: Questions about souls... Joel - 12/04/2011 05:44:53 PM 1206 Views
What a fantasy. Vivien - 12/04/2011 07:57:38 PM 1071 Views
What happened to two? *NM* Ghavrel - 12/04/2011 08:20:41 PM 616 Views
Thanks, I fixed it. *NM* Vivien - 12/04/2011 08:29:20 PM 626 Views
Your comments, or mine? Joel - 13/04/2011 01:24:53 AM 1551 Views
You get one guess. Vivien - 13/04/2011 07:09:01 PM 1273 Views
One dismissive answer deserves another. Joel - 24/04/2011 12:54:44 AM 1165 Views
I'm a Christian who is partial to reincarnation, so I do not think much would change. Ghavrel - 12/04/2011 06:21:36 PM 1112 Views
*is disappointed* *NM* Vivien - 12/04/2011 08:01:05 PM 553 Views
You'd be surprised how frequently I get that from both sides. Ghavrel - 12/04/2011 08:22:24 PM 1096 Views
I bet you do! Vivien - 12/04/2011 08:47:59 PM 1060 Views
Re: I bet you do! Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 04:02:07 AM 1072 Views
Does it really? Joel - 24/04/2011 01:09:34 AM 987 Views
OMG! Vivien - 14/04/2011 06:19:50 PM 1091 Views
Go expand his worldview. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/04/2011 06:56:03 PM 578 Views
I think we are similar in some respects philosophically. everynametaken - 13/04/2011 05:59:38 AM 1051 Views
That's pretty much how I feel. Being a universalist helps in that respect. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 06:25:34 AM 621 Views
Who says.... Jeordam - 13/04/2011 07:11:24 PM 1004 Views
So then my question is.... Jeordam - 13/04/2011 07:08:42 PM 1006 Views
Because I believe that Jesus was an incarnation of the λόγος. Ghavrel - 14/04/2011 12:36:36 AM 1036 Views
*heh* Jeordam - 14/04/2011 04:12:32 PM 1149 Views
I think I answered it pretty clearly in my post title. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/04/2011 06:59:47 PM 632 Views
Actually, you didn't. Jeordam - 15/04/2011 12:12:42 AM 1101 Views
Re: Actually, you didn't. Ghavrel - 24/04/2011 09:04:04 AM 1076 Views
I think that, like a lot of other people responding, I would want and need more information. Tom - 12/04/2011 07:13:14 PM 1036 Views
Speaking of the agnostic/atheist thing Vivien - 12/04/2011 07:40:04 PM 1088 Views
99% that there is no God... LadyLorraine - 12/04/2011 08:08:42 PM 1141 Views
Technically, no, atheists simply lack belief in a God. Ghavrel - 12/04/2011 08:19:15 PM 1073 Views
Whoah there, Stephen - 12/04/2011 08:26:43 PM 1056 Views
Okay, I have to admit I wasn't expecting to get called out on that. Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 04:03:08 AM 1151 Views
no I think that's just the literal definition... LadyLorraine - 12/04/2011 11:19:18 PM 1000 Views
Isn't that what "technically" would imply? Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 04:04:42 AM 1195 Views
And that's why I don't quibble with %'s, I just say I'm an atheist *NM* Vivien - 12/04/2011 09:45:31 PM 668 Views
It certainly doesn't mean you can't make conclusions. Tom - 12/04/2011 08:09:41 PM 1158 Views
Re: Campbell: Gaps - 12/04/2011 08:42:09 PM 1149 Views
Self-identification is an interesting point here. Tom - 12/04/2011 09:00:46 PM 1054 Views
Re: Agree Gaps - 12/04/2011 09:22:22 PM 1089 Views
Sadly enough, one of my favorite explanations of religion came from someone discussing a video game. Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 04:12:23 AM 1096 Views
Re: I'm basically a Magi. I'm going to travel to Brazil and then take over the world. *NM* Gaps - 13/04/2011 04:18:25 AM 662 Views
Either you meant "Magus" or you are a schizophrenic wizard. Both are acceptably awesome. Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 05:37:34 AM 1090 Views
Re: I think it was Jarod Diamond... Gaps - 14/04/2011 03:39:32 AM 1076 Views
You didn't understand the comment. Tom - 14/04/2011 05:22:46 AM 941 Views
Re: Ah, gotcha. I'm not always that bright. *NM* Gaps - 14/04/2011 02:08:03 PM 460 Views
Answers. Vivien - 12/04/2011 09:05:38 PM 1050 Views
That's not a compelling counter-argument for me. Tom - 12/04/2011 11:22:21 PM 1223 Views
Never mind. Aeryn - 12/04/2011 11:34:46 PM 1015 Views
be sure to post if it does happen *NM* random thoughts - 12/04/2011 11:56:17 PM 568 Views
Have you had any vivid dreams that came true? Tom - 13/04/2011 01:16:59 AM 989 Views
My mom used to have dreams like that, usually about relatives. Joel - 13/04/2011 02:25:45 AM 1134 Views
I can easily believe that. Tom - 13/04/2011 06:14:51 AM 995 Views
Taking things at face value is usually unwise, but the face value can still be correct. Joel - 24/04/2011 12:11:51 AM 932 Views
Minivans can fit lots of useful stuffs, like furniture. *NM* Aeryn - 13/04/2011 03:47:04 PM 633 Views
So can gas-guzzling SUVs, and full trucks. *NM* Tom - 13/04/2011 05:13:20 PM 584 Views
for that matter, you can fit a surprising amount even in a baby truck! *NM* LadyLorraine - 13/04/2011 06:36:58 PM 562 Views
I'd find it quite comforting ßelals Girl - 12/04/2011 07:40:09 PM 1020 Views
Well, as I said in my census form on Sunday Stephen - 12/04/2011 08:36:05 PM 1184 Views
Pythagoras was a total nut. Vivien - 12/04/2011 10:05:42 PM 1138 Views
True Stephen - 12/04/2011 10:13:43 PM 1041 Views
It would upset my belief in science random thoughts - 12/04/2011 09:39:39 PM 1183 Views
There's so much wrong with that statement. Vivien - 12/04/2011 09:55:45 PM 1161 Views
If science proved there really was an Easter Bunny would it affect your believe in science? *NM* random thoughts - 12/04/2011 10:30:09 PM 672 Views
*is both bored and annoyed* Vivien - 12/04/2011 11:03:10 PM 1054 Views
right. Aeryn - 12/04/2011 11:18:31 PM 1247 Views
and what if science proved that science was false? random thoughts - 12/04/2011 11:48:32 PM 1127 Views
I think that's kind of the point; it can't. Joel - 13/04/2011 01:33:44 AM 1001 Views
Did you read my original post? random thoughts - 13/04/2011 03:13:34 AM 966 Views
I did, yes. Joel - 13/04/2011 03:32:18 AM 1009 Views
Yes it would upset my belief in science, why is that so hard to accept random thoughts - 13/04/2011 01:56:59 PM 1118 Views
Well, if that's all it is, we know that a lot of that broad base is wrong. Joel - 24/04/2011 01:18:05 AM 1244 Views
What's a soul? Aeryn - 12/04/2011 10:51:39 PM 1030 Views
I can only give you my personal take. Joel - 13/04/2011 01:47:39 AM 1163 Views
Actually the reason you don't revive people denied oxygen half an hour is due to chemical processes. Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 04:08:37 AM 1095 Views
True, but even well preserved brains require more than a jump start to resume life. Joel - 23/04/2011 09:20:42 PM 950 Views
so did this guy took a railroad spike through the head random thoughts - 13/04/2011 01:58:52 PM 1179 Views
Nah, he just got someone else's added to him. But now Ruin can influence him. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 06:38:31 PM 636 Views
Thanks a lot random thoughts - 13/04/2011 07:02:29 PM 1044 Views
I'm really happy you've read them and got the reference. Phineas Gage, Steel Inquisitor. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/04/2011 12:29:01 AM 558 Views
No. Joel - 23/04/2011 09:15:16 PM 1061 Views
but we know personality can be draticaly altered by physical means random thoughts - 24/04/2011 03:28:36 AM 1371 Views
"We" don't know that; that's the problem. Joel - 24/04/2011 07:02:49 AM 1185 Views
Can one have an identity without memory? *NM* Aeryn - 13/04/2011 03:46:16 PM 599 Views
Sure. Joel - 23/04/2011 08:53:51 PM 892 Views
I assume you're implying time travel between past-life or future-life experiences. Burr - 12/04/2011 11:26:19 PM 1084 Views
Re: My question about souls: who will save your souuuuls? *NM* Gaps - 13/04/2011 04:04:21 AM 600 Views
I would becoming interested in tracing people's souls across time/space Helene - 13/04/2011 04:00:51 PM 1040 Views
Re: I would becoming interested in tracing people's souls across time/space Antigone - 14/04/2011 03:29:55 AM 1055 Views
Sorry :-) Helene - 14/04/2011 10:15:30 AM 1127 Views
Interesting concept.... Jeordam - 13/04/2011 07:28:42 PM 1016 Views
Heh. Loose faith. LadyLorraine - 14/04/2011 02:32:27 AM 1021 Views
It kinda still works though....doesn't it? Jeordam - 14/04/2011 04:14:19 PM 1038 Views
it does work. well in fact! *NM* LadyLorraine - 24/04/2011 03:24:25 AM 577 Views
Oooh... Burr - 14/04/2011 04:31:30 AM 1101 Views
Who says..... Jeordam - 14/04/2011 04:26:31 PM 1157 Views
Wow, thanks for all the responses!! Antigone - 14/04/2011 03:42:38 AM 1103 Views
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