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It's not about "legitimacy" so much as it is about, to use the ugly word, propaganda. Legolas Send a noteboard - 21/03/2011 10:33:12 PM
Libya is a distinct entity from every other country in the world. Libyans have asked us to get involved. Just because an accident of history has Libyans speaking the same language as people in the Levant and the Gulf, it doesn't give people in those areas some sort of magical legitimacy that we lack.

I agreed with you above that waiting longer would've been foolish, but I do think Qatar's involvement is important - and what is still more important is the vote Lebanon cast on the UN Security Council, considering the influence the Hezbollah has in Lebanon at the moment. In the "war for hearts and minds", the image problem of both Europe and the US - though in different ways - in the Arab world and to a lesser extent the rest of the Muslim world, it's very important that this is not seen as a "crusade" by anyone other than Qaddhafi. That is completely immaterial to Libya itself, nor does it somehow offer moral justification or legitimacy, but it certainly should be a consideration for policy makers in the US and Europe.
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So within 24 hours of the 1st UN mandated action in Libya... Wibble - 20/03/2011 04:38:25 PM 1476 Views
Quite. Rebekah - 20/03/2011 04:41:39 PM 673 Views
The Arab league guy has gone out saying he was misquoted. Camilla - 20/03/2011 05:26:21 PM 723 Views
... completely surprising absolutely no one. *NM* Macharius - 20/03/2011 05:28:20 PM 265 Views
China and Russian abstained instead of voting No, which is odd. Rebekah - 20/03/2011 05:32:02 PM 658 Views
Workplace politics writ large. With more blood. Gads. My hermit instinct is rearing it's head. *NM* Tashmere - 20/03/2011 08:35:35 PM 304 Views
I think we should just ignore anything Russia and China says about human rights.. random thoughts - 20/03/2011 10:15:59 PM 627 Views
Re: I think we should just ignore anything Russia and China says about human rights.. ironclad - 20/03/2011 11:12:11 PM 723 Views
exactly random thoughts - 21/03/2011 12:13:28 AM 613 Views
Misquoted to the extent of ordering an emergency meeting of the Arab League uh? Wibble - 20/03/2011 05:41:45 PM 688 Views
Re: So within 24 hours of the 1st UN mandated action in Libya... Macharius - 20/03/2011 05:31:48 PM 809 Views
Apparently Qatar is about to join the fray... it is rather crucial that the Arab world backs this. Legolas - 20/03/2011 05:50:14 PM 719 Views
And snoopcester - 20/03/2011 05:52:59 PM 689 Views
There is a lot of politics going on in the Arab League, from what I've read snoopcester - 20/03/2011 05:52:31 PM 936 Views
That is a big miscalculation. Rebekah - 20/03/2011 06:10:34 PM 786 Views
Not really Wibble - 20/03/2011 06:23:52 PM 818 Views
Agreed. Waiting wasn't an option. *NM* Legolas - 20/03/2011 06:46:39 PM 252 Views
I dunno. Rebekah - 20/03/2011 06:59:18 PM 796 Views
But the people who are going to think that way are going to do it no matter what random thoughts - 20/03/2011 10:13:36 PM 673 Views
The impression I got Ryan - 21/03/2011 04:14:57 PM 781 Views
to much diplomacy and not enough action random thoughts - 21/03/2011 04:56:45 PM 699 Views
It is us vs. them. Tom - 20/03/2011 10:30:50 PM 863 Views
Seriously. I can't believe Snoop and Rebekah's comments. It's like we had weeks to act. Tom - 20/03/2011 10:27:40 PM 779 Views
We have had weeks to act snoopcester - 20/03/2011 11:15:15 PM 788 Views
The French hit those vehicles in that military convoy 10 miles from Benghazi center. Tom - 21/03/2011 03:01:06 AM 746 Views
Because when you get involved in what is, unfortunately, an internal matter, Rebekah - 20/03/2011 11:18:16 PM 689 Views
Qatar is not part of Libya so it would still be outsiders interfering in an internal matter random thoughts - 21/03/2011 12:25:30 AM 692 Views
I have to ask: nossy - 21/03/2011 03:13:31 AM 862 Views
I don't think the people in Libya give at rat's ass about what the king of Qatar wants random thoughts - 21/03/2011 05:12:26 AM 822 Views
Imo, it's not about "gratitude." nossy - 21/03/2011 04:05:41 PM 724 Views
I actaully like NPR and listen to them on a regular basis random thoughts - 21/03/2011 04:44:42 PM 744 Views
Well, that has all shit to do with Qatari participation. Tom - 21/03/2011 03:02:19 AM 678 Views
Not so. Rebekah - 21/03/2011 08:54:31 AM 783 Views
Bullshit. Tom - 21/03/2011 01:37:32 PM 921 Views
Well. Rebekah - 21/03/2011 06:58:19 PM 704 Views
That's odd. I'm not seeing any of this criticism. Tom - 21/03/2011 10:55:27 PM 694 Views
There's been plenty on Twitter. Rebekah - 22/03/2011 08:29:48 AM 865 Views
So let me get this straight: Tom - 22/03/2011 06:48:53 PM 773 Views
It's not about "legitimacy" so much as it is about, to use the ugly word, propaganda. Legolas - 21/03/2011 10:33:12 PM 637 Views
The only support I've seen Qaddhafi get is from the rogues gallery of world pariahs. Tom - 21/03/2011 11:01:54 PM 742 Views
Indeed. And they should make sure it stays that way. Legolas - 21/03/2011 11:05:42 PM 765 Views
The PR has very little to do with Qatar joining or not. Tom - 22/03/2011 01:34:33 AM 791 Views
Is the Qatar involvement as important as the Kuwaiti involvement in the Iraq War? random thoughts - 22/03/2011 06:57:27 PM 1115 Views
Kuwait was involved in the Iraq War? *NM* Legolas - 22/03/2011 08:35:21 PM 249 Views
They were part of the famous Coalition of the Willing *NM* random thoughts - 22/03/2011 08:47:55 PM 260 Views
We got our authorization. Tom - 20/03/2011 10:25:10 PM 843 Views
I don't see a situation where this does not turn into a land war. Stephen - 20/03/2011 10:51:41 PM 752 Views
it is already is a land war if you ask the people on the ground doing the fighting for weeks random thoughts - 21/03/2011 12:34:10 AM 742 Views
Yeah, that's what I meant. Stephen - 21/03/2011 12:48:57 AM 669 Views
I doubt it would take US ground troops. Tom - 21/03/2011 03:16:24 AM 652 Views
Fuck that Aisha - 21/03/2011 12:47:54 AM 712 Views
you are always have been a fence sitter random thoughts - 21/03/2011 01:09:59 AM 677 Views
Fuck Gadhafi. Dragonsoul - 21/03/2011 05:21:29 AM 618 Views
how full of yourself are you? Aisha - 21/03/2011 12:37:47 PM 764 Views
They're not my people. Dragonsoul - 21/03/2011 02:22:46 PM 747 Views
Wha? nossy - 21/03/2011 03:55:51 PM 785 Views
Nope. Dragonsoul - 21/03/2011 04:21:21 PM 772 Views
Ok. nossy - 21/03/2011 04:30:44 PM 702 Views
I challenge you to point out where I'd advocated killing anyone but him and the military... Dragonsoul - 21/03/2011 04:45:05 PM 644 Views
The part where I said I misread should sufficiently cover that. nossy - 21/03/2011 04:49:18 PM 765 Views
Do something, get whined at. Do nothing and you get Rwanda. Druid - 21/03/2011 11:19:38 AM 868 Views
I completely agree. *NM* Tom - 21/03/2011 11:04:34 PM 199 Views
I would reply... Wibble - 21/03/2011 11:22:14 PM 592 Views
It is only natural that the girl preferred me to you, but....... Druid - 21/03/2011 11:36:33 PM 743 Views
snoopcester - 21/03/2011 11:38:49 PM 551 Views
Don't me!! Druid - 21/03/2011 11:50:07 PM 690 Views
And you old enough to be her father, you should be ashamed... Wibble - 22/03/2011 12:17:55 AM 487 Views
She said she prefers experience to enthusiasm....... Druid - 22/03/2011 12:24:05 AM 603 Views
Funny. She told me it was all down to the size of your.....wallet. *NM* Wibble - 22/03/2011 12:33:33 AM 245 Views
You know what they say....big wallet....big everything *NM* Druid - 22/03/2011 12:38:56 AM 285 Views
"You old enough to be her father" is usually followed with "I'm impressed and envious" Tom - 22/03/2011 06:50:27 PM 656 Views
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