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It's not about "legitimacy" so much as it is about, to use the ugly word, propaganda. Legolas Send a noteboard - 21/03/2011 10:33:12 PM
Libya is a distinct entity from every other country in the world. Libyans have asked us to get involved. Just because an accident of history has Libyans speaking the same language as people in the Levant and the Gulf, it doesn't give people in those areas some sort of magical legitimacy that we lack.

I agreed with you above that waiting longer would've been foolish, but I do think Qatar's involvement is important - and what is still more important is the vote Lebanon cast on the UN Security Council, considering the influence the Hezbollah has in Lebanon at the moment. In the "war for hearts and minds", the image problem of both Europe and the US - though in different ways - in the Arab world and to a lesser extent the rest of the Muslim world, it's very important that this is not seen as a "crusade" by anyone other than Qaddhafi. That is completely immaterial to Libya itself, nor does it somehow offer moral justification or legitimacy, but it certainly should be a consideration for policy makers in the US and Europe.
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So within 24 hours of the 1st UN mandated action in Libya... Wibble - 20/03/2011 04:38:25 PM 1521 Views
Quite. Rebekah - 20/03/2011 04:41:39 PM 712 Views
The Arab league guy has gone out saying he was misquoted. Camilla - 20/03/2011 05:26:21 PM 764 Views
... completely surprising absolutely no one. *NM* Macharius - 20/03/2011 05:28:20 PM 281 Views
China and Russian abstained instead of voting No, which is odd. Rebekah - 20/03/2011 05:32:02 PM 701 Views
Workplace politics writ large. With more blood. Gads. My hermit instinct is rearing it's head. *NM* Tashmere - 20/03/2011 08:35:35 PM 317 Views
I think we should just ignore anything Russia and China says about human rights.. random thoughts - 20/03/2011 10:15:59 PM 674 Views
Re: I think we should just ignore anything Russia and China says about human rights.. ironclad - 20/03/2011 11:12:11 PM 771 Views
exactly random thoughts - 21/03/2011 12:13:28 AM 659 Views
Misquoted to the extent of ordering an emergency meeting of the Arab League uh? Wibble - 20/03/2011 05:41:45 PM 733 Views
Re: So within 24 hours of the 1st UN mandated action in Libya... Macharius - 20/03/2011 05:31:48 PM 853 Views
Apparently Qatar is about to join the fray... it is rather crucial that the Arab world backs this. Legolas - 20/03/2011 05:50:14 PM 765 Views
And snoopcester - 20/03/2011 05:52:59 PM 735 Views
There is a lot of politics going on in the Arab League, from what I've read snoopcester - 20/03/2011 05:52:31 PM 982 Views
That is a big miscalculation. Rebekah - 20/03/2011 06:10:34 PM 828 Views
Not really Wibble - 20/03/2011 06:23:52 PM 862 Views
Agreed. Waiting wasn't an option. *NM* Legolas - 20/03/2011 06:46:39 PM 271 Views
I dunno. Rebekah - 20/03/2011 06:59:18 PM 839 Views
But the people who are going to think that way are going to do it no matter what random thoughts - 20/03/2011 10:13:36 PM 712 Views
The impression I got Ryan - 21/03/2011 04:14:57 PM 824 Views
to much diplomacy and not enough action random thoughts - 21/03/2011 04:56:45 PM 742 Views
It is us vs. them. Tom - 20/03/2011 10:30:50 PM 905 Views
Seriously. I can't believe Snoop and Rebekah's comments. It's like we had weeks to act. Tom - 20/03/2011 10:27:40 PM 830 Views
We have had weeks to act snoopcester - 20/03/2011 11:15:15 PM 832 Views
The French hit those vehicles in that military convoy 10 miles from Benghazi center. Tom - 21/03/2011 03:01:06 AM 788 Views
Because when you get involved in what is, unfortunately, an internal matter, Rebekah - 20/03/2011 11:18:16 PM 728 Views
Qatar is not part of Libya so it would still be outsiders interfering in an internal matter random thoughts - 21/03/2011 12:25:30 AM 748 Views
I have to ask: nossy - 21/03/2011 03:13:31 AM 902 Views
I don't think the people in Libya give at rat's ass about what the king of Qatar wants random thoughts - 21/03/2011 05:12:26 AM 866 Views
Imo, it's not about "gratitude." nossy - 21/03/2011 04:05:41 PM 766 Views
I actaully like NPR and listen to them on a regular basis random thoughts - 21/03/2011 04:44:42 PM 785 Views
Well, that has all shit to do with Qatari participation. Tom - 21/03/2011 03:02:19 AM 715 Views
Not so. Rebekah - 21/03/2011 08:54:31 AM 831 Views
Bullshit. Tom - 21/03/2011 01:37:32 PM 963 Views
Well. Rebekah - 21/03/2011 06:58:19 PM 746 Views
That's odd. I'm not seeing any of this criticism. Tom - 21/03/2011 10:55:27 PM 733 Views
There's been plenty on Twitter. Rebekah - 22/03/2011 08:29:48 AM 904 Views
So let me get this straight: Tom - 22/03/2011 06:48:53 PM 819 Views
It's not about "legitimacy" so much as it is about, to use the ugly word, propaganda. Legolas - 21/03/2011 10:33:12 PM 677 Views
The only support I've seen Qaddhafi get is from the rogues gallery of world pariahs. Tom - 21/03/2011 11:01:54 PM 780 Views
Indeed. And they should make sure it stays that way. Legolas - 21/03/2011 11:05:42 PM 805 Views
The PR has very little to do with Qatar joining or not. Tom - 22/03/2011 01:34:33 AM 831 Views
Is the Qatar involvement as important as the Kuwaiti involvement in the Iraq War? random thoughts - 22/03/2011 06:57:27 PM 1158 Views
Kuwait was involved in the Iraq War? *NM* Legolas - 22/03/2011 08:35:21 PM 268 Views
They were part of the famous Coalition of the Willing *NM* random thoughts - 22/03/2011 08:47:55 PM 278 Views
We got our authorization. Tom - 20/03/2011 10:25:10 PM 892 Views
I don't see a situation where this does not turn into a land war. Stephen - 20/03/2011 10:51:41 PM 794 Views
it is already is a land war if you ask the people on the ground doing the fighting for weeks random thoughts - 21/03/2011 12:34:10 AM 782 Views
Yeah, that's what I meant. Stephen - 21/03/2011 12:48:57 AM 718 Views
I doubt it would take US ground troops. Tom - 21/03/2011 03:16:24 AM 692 Views
Fuck that Aisha - 21/03/2011 12:47:54 AM 756 Views
you are always have been a fence sitter random thoughts - 21/03/2011 01:09:59 AM 723 Views
Fuck Gadhafi. Dragonsoul - 21/03/2011 05:21:29 AM 658 Views
how full of yourself are you? Aisha - 21/03/2011 12:37:47 PM 821 Views
They're not my people. Dragonsoul - 21/03/2011 02:22:46 PM 794 Views
Wha? nossy - 21/03/2011 03:55:51 PM 825 Views
Nope. Dragonsoul - 21/03/2011 04:21:21 PM 813 Views
Ok. nossy - 21/03/2011 04:30:44 PM 750 Views
I challenge you to point out where I'd advocated killing anyone but him and the military... Dragonsoul - 21/03/2011 04:45:05 PM 683 Views
The part where I said I misread should sufficiently cover that. nossy - 21/03/2011 04:49:18 PM 808 Views
Do something, get whined at. Do nothing and you get Rwanda. Druid - 21/03/2011 11:19:38 AM 913 Views
I completely agree. *NM* Tom - 21/03/2011 11:04:34 PM 215 Views
I would reply... Wibble - 21/03/2011 11:22:14 PM 649 Views
It is only natural that the girl preferred me to you, but....... Druid - 21/03/2011 11:36:33 PM 789 Views
snoopcester - 21/03/2011 11:38:49 PM 594 Views
Don't me!! Druid - 21/03/2011 11:50:07 PM 730 Views
And you old enough to be her father, you should be ashamed... Wibble - 22/03/2011 12:17:55 AM 534 Views
She said she prefers experience to enthusiasm....... Druid - 22/03/2011 12:24:05 AM 647 Views
Funny. She told me it was all down to the size of your.....wallet. *NM* Wibble - 22/03/2011 12:33:33 AM 261 Views
You know what they say....big wallet....big everything *NM* Druid - 22/03/2011 12:38:56 AM 303 Views
"You old enough to be her father" is usually followed with "I'm impressed and envious" Tom - 22/03/2011 06:50:27 PM 698 Views
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