No. You don't get to say, "what he said doesn't matter because of how we learned of it".
Joel Send a noteboard - 16/03/2011 11:54:46 PM
Or at least, you shouldn't. I may not be perfect, but I try very hard to evaluate peoples statements based on WHAT they said rather than WHO said it or in what context. Sure, I'll question the facts of someone who's hyperpartisan, but if their facts check out that's not invalidated by who presented them. The full text of the EESC Presidents statements clarified the meaning of one of those statements that would HAVE no meaning otherwise. It was still a forced connection, and an exploitive one, and I said so; how you or I feel about each others politics is neither here nor there to that. The full text of Rushs statements only reinforced the explicit meaning of the excerpt.
You offered those statements as an out for Rush:
You mentioned context ONCE in the course of many attempts to justify Rushs statement as spoken; now we've got the benefit of the transcript and, guess what: He actually WAS accusing environmentalists of blaming the tsunami on global warming (and of blaming the earthquake on fracking) with no more evidence than his certainty that they WILL. That's a far cry from the EESC President calling for solidarity on climate change in two lines of a multiparagraph call for GENERAL solidarity during the disaster. He clearly called for general solidarity, btw; saying it was a "statement in regards to Japan calling for solidarity to fight climate change" ignores that (though it would justify Rushs comments were it accurate): He mentioned global warming, but that was not the focus, though he shouldn't have mentioned it at all in reference to this disaster.
Then you go on to cite other examples of extremist liberal comments that somehow also justify Rushs statements, despite the fact that none of them blame the tsunami on global warming, because they give Rush "the advantage that there are a lot of loons out there who say thing like" the radical quotes you cited. That not "context will clarify he didn't mean what it sounds like", it's "his factually untrue statement is legitimate because of all the crazy stuff environmentalist radicals say". Nice try though.
You offered those statements as an out for Rush:
There are people out there who blamed things like this on Global Warming, not very sane individuals in my opinion, but after the Earthquake that smashed up Haiti a number of people did blame that on Global Warming, and actually the President of the European Economic and Social Committee issued a statement in regards to Japan calling for solidarity to fight climate change:
[Text of EESC Presidents statement]
So, would kind of seem his priorities are messed up. That's the complete statement because I'm a big believer in context, its not quite as whacky as when I first saw it, with only the bolded part, I'd be curious if anyone would want to dig up the 30 seconds or so before and after Rush's comments. In his case though, he has the advantage that there are a lot of loons out there who say thing like
[Text of EESC Presidents statement]
So, would kind of seem his priorities are messed up. That's the complete statement because I'm a big believer in context, its not quite as whacky as when I first saw it, with only the bolded part, I'd be curious if anyone would want to dig up the 30 seconds or so before and after Rush's comments. In his case though, he has the advantage that there are a lot of loons out there who say thing like
You mentioned context ONCE in the course of many attempts to justify Rushs statement as spoken; now we've got the benefit of the transcript and, guess what: He actually WAS accusing environmentalists of blaming the tsunami on global warming (and of blaming the earthquake on fracking) with no more evidence than his certainty that they WILL. That's a far cry from the EESC President calling for solidarity on climate change in two lines of a multiparagraph call for GENERAL solidarity during the disaster. He clearly called for general solidarity, btw; saying it was a "statement in regards to Japan calling for solidarity to fight climate change" ignores that (though it would justify Rushs comments were it accurate): He mentioned global warming, but that was not the focus, though he shouldn't have mentioned it at all in reference to this disaster.
Then you go on to cite other examples of extremist liberal comments that somehow also justify Rushs statements, despite the fact that none of them blame the tsunami on global warming, because they give Rush "the advantage that there are a lot of loons out there who say thing like" the radical quotes you cited. That not "context will clarify he didn't mean what it sounds like", it's "his factually untrue statement is legitimate because of all the crazy stuff environmentalist radicals say". Nice try though.
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So, how many drugs is Rush Limbaugh actually on?
16/03/2011 08:30:25 AM
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Possibly different ones then the EESC president
16/03/2011 03:58:41 PM
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No one's blaming the earthquake or tsunami on global warming.
16/03/2011 04:22:52 PM
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Tsunami and climate change
17/03/2011 11:59:36 PM
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"Speakers were careful to point out that many findings still amounted only to hypotheses"
18/03/2011 01:31:44 PM
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Re: No one's blaming the earthquake or tsunami on global warming.
18/03/2011 12:25:01 PM
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Republican spin doctor Frank Luntz popularized "climate change" to make global warming appealing.
18/03/2011 01:56:01 PM
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A slightly misleading post
16/03/2011 07:41:46 PM
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Kind of missed the point there
16/03/2011 09:54:35 PM
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If you link the transcript I'll look at it.
16/03/2011 10:16:21 PM
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Re: If you link the transcript I'll look at it.
16/03/2011 10:44:56 PM
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" I can't help attaching, you know, political reaction to this". Yeah, we noticed....
16/03/2011 11:10:11 PM
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Re: " I can't help attaching, you know, political reaction to this". Yeah, we noticed....
16/03/2011 11:42:29 PM
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I've read the transcript
16/03/2011 10:34:41 PM
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Re: I've read the transcript
16/03/2011 10:46:42 PM
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You need to reread what I said
16/03/2011 10:49:45 PM
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No, I think you're still missing my point
16/03/2011 11:09:04 PM
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No. You don't get to say, "what he said doesn't matter because of how we learned of it".
16/03/2011 11:54:46 PM
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I think Republicans should stop using "legitimate". I do not think it means what they think it means
16/03/2011 04:11:14 PM
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there are enough carzies on the left to make things like this easy for Rush
16/03/2011 04:20:47 PM
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So it doesn't matter that no one said it as long as he can plausibly claim they did.
16/03/2011 06:58:17 PM
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well since it is taken out of context it is hard to say where Rush was going with it
16/03/2011 07:19:46 PM
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Um... he stated where he was going with it.
16/03/2011 07:30:02 PM
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At least you are not ashamed to use a double standard
16/03/2011 08:17:39 PM
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It's the same standard, whatever you choose to believe.
16/03/2011 09:08:01 PM
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I don't thinkit is as clear as you make it out to be
16/03/2011 09:31:53 PM
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It is not just "possible" he's talking about islands affected by global warming; he says it outright
16/03/2011 10:09:16 PM
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Sorry but I still fail to see how the islands he mention are a sign of what needs to be done
16/03/2011 10:27:20 PM
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Then you don't understand context and this whole discussion is pointless.
16/03/2011 11:28:47 PM
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lets throw a little context at asnd see if it matters
17/03/2011 12:12:03 AM
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Yes: It makes it worse.
17/03/2011 12:45:12 AM
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no it shows that the one statements was not meant to be taken literally
17/03/2011 02:47:55 AM
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At best, it shows he was joking about something he believes to be fact despite lacking evidence.
18/03/2011 02:24:45 PM
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so you finally agre that the context changes the meaning, took you long enough
18/03/2011 02:33:41 PM
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