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Kind of missed the point there Isaac Send a noteboard - 16/03/2011 09:54:35 PM
I came across that remark with the bold part only, and I thought it so outrageous that I looked up the entire statement, context and all. Even with that I think the statement is a bad one, but not a crazy one. I also looked up Rush's complete comments, he posts transcripts, he has for a long time precisely because he runs a 3-hour long unscripted radio program everyday and people often yank his comments out of context. Now its too late for anyone to post that transcript and have anyone objectively say 'hmm... a bit offensive' or 'oh, yeah that was a pretty mean joke, he's making fun of Danny Glover and accusing environmentalists of seizing on natural disasters to push their agenda' because everyone read the quote, formed an opinion, and won't budge. Nobody here ever does. Someone posts some soundbite, and they all fall in on partisan lines and argue about it, and nobody ever bothers to look it up. Well I saw the EESC's comments another blog, and all the comments about it were outraged howling and crazed defenses, and I stopped and thought "Why isn't this guy being dragged through the proverbial streets to be tarred and feathered?" so I looked up what he said, and I still think his comments were shoe-horning in GW when it wasn't called for, but they're not really very outrageous, are they?

People on this board have a damned bad habit of posting soundbite crap they get from hyper-partisan websites then wrestling about it for days... we've got a thread still chugging along that revolves around a blatantly clipped up video and one of the subthreads has two guys screaming at each other about how comments were or weren't out of context and neither bothered to look them up, which took me about 10 seconds of googling, by the way.

And it doesn't matter if on looking them up the comments remain vicious -sometimes they do - what matters is that none of you ever bother to, and when someone posts up the whole context and it remains vile, or still pretty bad, it doesn't vindicate the people who were saying so before hand but were too lazy to look it up, and it doesn't excuse the wad of people who refuse to apologize or let it go when the context shows they were just wrong, because their egos and ideologies can't suffer just saying 'Yeah, I jumped the gun' and they lack the internal honesty to realize that the reason they were so happy to rip into the meat was because they already believe the opposition is evil and their own side virtuous and they don't really need or want evidence to support or contradict that.

And the fact of the matter is no one with any intellectual honesty has any business posting these kind of He/She crazy/evil soundbites without finding the entire statement first, and if they can't, they shouldn't post it at all.

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So, how many drugs is Rush Limbaugh actually on? - 16/03/2011 08:30:25 AM 899 Views
Possibly different ones then the EESC president - 16/03/2011 03:58:41 PM 808 Views
No one's blaming the earthquake or tsunami on global warming. - 16/03/2011 04:22:52 PM 611 Views
Actually people have - 16/03/2011 04:31:37 PM 763 Views
Which people? Where? Example? - 16/03/2011 06:48:10 PM 780 Views
Tsunami and climate change - 17/03/2011 11:59:36 PM 753 Views
A slightly misleading post - 16/03/2011 07:41:46 PM 699 Views
Surprised? *NM* - 16/03/2011 08:59:35 PM 297 Views
Not completely. *NM* - 16/03/2011 09:13:48 PM 258 Views
Kind of missed the point there - 16/03/2011 09:54:35 PM 693 Views
If you link the transcript I'll look at it. - 16/03/2011 10:16:21 PM 578 Views
Re: If you link the transcript I'll look at it. - 16/03/2011 10:44:56 PM 707 Views
" I can't help attaching, you know, political reaction to this". Yeah, we noticed.... - 16/03/2011 11:10:11 PM 720 Views
Re: " I can't help attaching, you know, political reaction to this". Yeah, we noticed.... - 16/03/2011 11:42:29 PM 549 Views
Fair enough. - 17/03/2011 12:08:13 AM 653 Views
Re: Fair enough. - 17/03/2011 12:37:12 AM 632 Views
No worries. - 17/03/2011 12:48:44 AM 894 Views
I've read the transcript - 16/03/2011 10:34:41 PM 722 Views
Re: I've read the transcript - 16/03/2011 10:46:42 PM 629 Views
You need to reread what I said - 16/03/2011 10:49:45 PM 598 Views
No, I think you're still missing my point - 16/03/2011 11:09:04 PM 670 Views
Perhaps - 16/03/2011 11:26:37 PM 731 Views
Okay, I'm done - 16/03/2011 11:37:58 PM 627 Views
Seriously, you need to pick a better example to make your point - 18/03/2011 05:00:10 PM 612 Views
No. You don't get to say, "what he said doesn't matter because of how we learned of it". - 16/03/2011 11:54:46 PM 628 Views
I told you, I'm done in this thread - 16/03/2011 11:59:08 PM 594 Views
Acknowledged (though I'd not seen that response yet, sorry). - 17/03/2011 12:11:58 AM 642 Views
I think Republicans should stop using "legitimate". I do not think it means what they think it means - 16/03/2011 04:11:14 PM 720 Views
there are enough carzies on the left to make things like this easy for Rush - 16/03/2011 04:20:47 PM 670 Views
So it doesn't matter that no one said it as long as he can plausibly claim they did. - 16/03/2011 06:58:17 PM 594 Views
well since it is taken out of context it is hard to say where Rush was going with it - 16/03/2011 07:19:46 PM 688 Views
Um... he stated where he was going with it. - 16/03/2011 07:30:02 PM 660 Views
At least you are not ashamed to use a double standard - 16/03/2011 08:17:39 PM 604 Views
It's the same standard, whatever you choose to believe. - 16/03/2011 09:08:01 PM 728 Views
I don't thinkit is as clear as you make it out to be - 16/03/2011 09:31:53 PM 616 Views
It is not just "possible" he's talking about islands affected by global warming; he says it outright - 16/03/2011 10:09:16 PM 781 Views
Sorry but I still fail to see how the islands he mention are a sign of what needs to be done - 16/03/2011 10:27:20 PM 659 Views
Hey, guys! - 16/03/2011 10:55:07 PM 552 Views
and how its that different than what I said? *NM* - 16/03/2011 11:14:46 PM 250 Views
Then you don't understand context and this whole discussion is pointless. - 16/03/2011 11:28:47 PM 736 Views
lets throw a little context at asnd see if it matters - 17/03/2011 12:12:03 AM 621 Views
Yes: It makes it worse. - 17/03/2011 12:45:12 AM 628 Views
Re: At least you are not ashamed to use a double standard - 16/03/2011 09:22:37 PM 747 Views
maybe he heard that they were blaming it on Pearl Harbor *NM* - 16/03/2011 10:14:59 PM 241 Views

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