"Choose partners carefully to avoid this situation" cuts both ways; "choice" is the operative word.
Joel Send a noteboard - 14/03/2011 02:38:41 AM
If a man has sex with a woman, he should not able to force her to complete a pregnancy that occurs. The woman has ultimate say about her body. Choose partners carefully to avoid this situation.
It's one thing when the sex isn't consensual, but when it is, the bottom line is that no matter how carefully ones partner is chosen, no matter how convincingly and sincerely she assures you that she won't consider abortion, the fact remains that if she changes her mind and decides to kill your child at some point between conception and delivery there's not a thing in the world you, as a man, can do about it. And that, quite frankly, sucks.
As a man, if your partner chooses to poke holes in your condoms you're still on the hook for child support if she carries the resulting pregnancy to term. As a man, if your partner's on the pill and you're using condoms but she still gets pregnant you have zero say in whether she has an abortion. Once she's pregnant the ball is entirely in her uterine court, and she has total say over whether you become a father, with all the duties (but not necessarily the rights) pursuant thereunto, or simply has the fruit of your loins scraped out of hers, without even the obligation to inform you. That's why there are so many fathers out there with all the financial responsibilities of raising a child they're not legally allowed to ever see.
I'm not saying I see an ideal solution, and requiring a committee to sign off before every abortion certainly isn't it, but there does seem something passing strange about the fact that a man and a woman can conceive a child, but only one of the three people involved in that has any voice in deciding whether it will be born.
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Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!
LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
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07/01/2011 06:47:47 PM
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Germany sucks
07/01/2011 07:52:13 PM
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lol, I don't think I've ever clicked on something as fast as I did that.
07/01/2011 11:27:50 PM
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Ok then.
07/01/2011 09:13:57 PM
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are you a woman? if not, fuck off. you have no uterus, you have no say. *NM*
07/01/2011 10:00:32 PM
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horse shit
07/01/2011 10:28:40 PM
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I cannot agree
08/01/2011 01:29:45 AM
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"Choose partners carefully to avoid this situation" cuts both ways; "choice" is the operative word.
14/03/2011 02:38:41 AM
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*Sigh* This is not what I wanted
07/01/2011 11:53:37 PM
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a debate based on morality is not rational. humans aren't actually rational creatures, you know.
08/01/2011 02:05:05 AM
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I wasn't aware women had a monopoly on dispassionate objective arguments.
08/01/2011 12:59:33 AM
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I wasn't aware they had the capacity for it *NM*
08/01/2011 02:45:54 AM
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Oh, I'm quite aware of and familiar with their capacity; hence my disappointment.
08/01/2011 03:01:41 AM
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It is true that the person with the uterus gets to make that decision.
08/01/2011 01:46:15 AM
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Your arguments pro choice are poor.
07/01/2011 10:59:43 PM
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Gotta disagree with your rape argument
07/01/2011 11:15:34 PM
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I agree with this. I'm interested in knowing what Helen's response is
07/01/2011 11:55:23 PM
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Re: Gotta disagree with your rape argument
08/01/2011 01:32:06 AM
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Discussion merits discourtesy apparently
08/01/2011 03:24:09 AM
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At the end I did say that it was not you but the idea. I guess I didn't phrase that well enough.
08/01/2011 06:42:40 AM
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If you belive a child is a child from conception then does the means of conception change that?
08/01/2011 04:52:34 PM
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Not an argument or even completely applicable to what you just said. Just another viewpoint.
09/01/2011 01:06:19 AM
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The right to wear perfume or generous portions of cologne in a the workplace or public areas
08/01/2011 01:24:04 AM
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