For a little context, ICNA is not a particularly nice bunch of folks, they're accused, rather credibly, of having ties to Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc. Five of their members got picked up in Pakistan last year, and two of the speakers at the event were Imam Siraj Wahhaj and Amir Abdel Malik Ali, Wahhaj is usually listed as an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, and of course Abdel Malik Ali is perhaps best known for his comment “Palestinian mothers are supporting their children who are suicide bombers, saying, ‘Go honey, go!’ That ain’t suicide; that’s martyrdom.”, both are also former NAtion of Islam members. ICNA, on the other hand, once refused to let a vice-mayor greet their organization because they worried about her voice being sexually seductive, and so some might view them raising funds to help women with a bit of skepticism. I of course make no judgment myself, but one could see how a Rabbi, one of the people prominently listed as an organize in the video, might perhaps have doubts about the friendly and peaceful nature of an organization charged with terrorist ties who invites speakers who are best known for their alleged involvement in terrorist attacks and open support suicide bombers.
I am, of course, sure that this merely slipped the mind of everyone who reported on this, a number of news outlets did not, who also seem not too have mentioned that this was a rather large protest of several hundred of whom a small number broke off to act crudely, and there actions were condemned after the event by its organizers. The rabbi whose name is mentioned when asked on this said, “I participated in a peaceful protest on the lawn a hundred yards away from the Yorba Linda Community Center. The Mayor, city council members, congressman, the local reform rabbi, and others spoke. Another demonstration started near the entrance of the Community Center. Those in the second rally spoke harshly as indicated on the video. We did not join them, in fact we told people not to go there.” And said the video was heavily distorted.
Which NBC also pointed out, “…video of protesters hurling insults at the Muslims were shot in darkness, apparently several hours after a sun-splashed afternoon rally…”
None of which changes that there were definitely people acting rather poorly, to say the least, on that video, but it does appear to be something of a propaganda piece and it seems to be being distributed as such. Nevertheless, bad behavior by some of those protesters, but not exactly the black and white it's presented as.
I am, of course, sure that this merely slipped the mind of everyone who reported on this, a number of news outlets did not, who also seem not too have mentioned that this was a rather large protest of several hundred of whom a small number broke off to act crudely, and there actions were condemned after the event by its organizers. The rabbi whose name is mentioned when asked on this said, “I participated in a peaceful protest on the lawn a hundred yards away from the Yorba Linda Community Center. The Mayor, city council members, congressman, the local reform rabbi, and others spoke. Another demonstration started near the entrance of the Community Center. Those in the second rally spoke harshly as indicated on the video. We did not join them, in fact we told people not to go there.” And said the video was heavily distorted.
Which NBC also pointed out, “…video of protesters hurling insults at the Muslims were shot in darkness, apparently several hours after a sun-splashed afternoon rally…”
None of which changes that there were definitely people acting rather poorly, to say the least, on that video, but it does appear to be something of a propaganda piece and it seems to be being distributed as such. Nevertheless, bad behavior by some of those protesters, but not exactly the black and white it's presented as.
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ignorance and hate in orange county, california
13/03/2011 07:05:33 AM
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actually it wasnt at an Islamic Center, It was a city center rented out by muslims for the night
13/03/2011 08:29:10 AM
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since you are OK with judging all Tea Part memebers by the actions of a few
13/03/2011 01:03:42 PM
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The problem with that is that Muslims aren't electing terrorists to city councils or Congress.
13/03/2011 08:13:38 PM
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and you believe the Tea Party is electing terrorist to office?
14/03/2011 03:17:49 PM
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"I know quite a few Marines who will be very happy to help these terrorists to paradise".
14/03/2011 07:17:02 PM
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which terrorist was she talking about? You don't even have context just a propaganda video
14/03/2011 09:13:22 PM
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That she directed it toward the whole event rather than specific people is the whole problem.
14/03/2011 09:53:29 PM
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really? you have unedited video of her doing that?
14/03/2011 11:01:57 PM
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She said, "what's going on over there is PURE UNADULTERATED evil".
15/03/2011 12:21:16 AM
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you sure seem to know alot about what she meant from just hearing two clips out of context
15/03/2011 02:47:44 PM
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No, I'm just not being obtuse about her clear meaning because she's on "my side".
15/03/2011 08:39:21 PM
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You could see where she was pointing? All I saw were flags
15/03/2011 08:45:02 PM
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Ooooh, she was pointing out her fellow flag waving REPUBLICANS are terrorists.
15/03/2011 09:01:13 PM
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and you know her well enough to know what she is saying
15/03/2011 09:37:16 PM
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I know ENGLISH well enough to know what she's saying; you're the only who thinks WHO said it matters
15/03/2011 10:54:04 PM
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I have to ask. Is this actually real? *NM*
13/03/2011 12:36:50 PM
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Somewhat
13/03/2011 04:05:14 PM
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and then there are the biased idiots who only need a video of few people chanting
13/03/2011 01:02:07 PM
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A very small number of people who happen to include elected leaders.
13/03/2011 08:42:37 PM
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How many elected officals were there shouting at people as they entered the event?
14/03/2011 04:22:34 PM
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Three, by my count.
14/03/2011 06:02:06 PM
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yes but since you are just making it that doesn't really count
14/03/2011 06:30:24 PM
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Folks on "my side" don't suggest US Marines murder people on yours; why does who tallies matter?
14/03/2011 07:25:12 PM
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no folk on your side try to firebomb political conventions and then claim they are vicitims
14/03/2011 09:02:27 PM
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I'm aware of no such case, let alone people being elected to Congress for doing it.
14/03/2011 10:19:53 PM
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if you have evidience he supported verbal assults you should post it
14/03/2011 11:03:19 PM
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He MADE verbal assaults, and video of it was posted at the start of the thread.
15/03/2011 12:23:12 AM
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why is it hard to grasp the "destrtoying America" is a common phrase used by boht sides
15/03/2011 02:53:29 PM
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Yeah, but people shouldn't be paying their elected officials to (literally) subject them to it.
15/03/2011 08:39:05 PM
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oh and here is the film making them victims being celibrated by Variety
14/03/2011 11:10:00 PM
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Funny how they got ARRESTED instead of elected to public office.
15/03/2011 12:25:17 AM
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and now the left is trying to tuen them into martyrs, which was my point. What was yours?
15/03/2011 02:57:04 PM
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Doesn't seem like "the left" is trying to turn them into martyrs, let alone electing them to office.
15/03/2011 08:39:12 PM
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the little piece of propeganda is likely to win SXSW film festival
15/03/2011 09:31:22 PM
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Which proves many people find sensationalized violence entertaining, and that Austinites are idiots.
15/03/2011 10:52:19 PM
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More than anything it seems like America is importing the "no good guys here" phenomenon.
13/03/2011 08:41:07 PM
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Re: ignorance and hate in orange county, california
13/03/2011 10:05:40 PM
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The Tea Party sponsored the event where people they elected said that stuff.
14/03/2011 07:42:29 PM
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do you believe there is single group the Tea Party?
14/03/2011 09:03:10 PM
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I believe a majority elected public officials encouraging violence against their own constituents.
14/03/2011 10:12:59 PM
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I thought you needed proof before accussing someone of a crime
14/03/2011 11:04:05 PM
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Whether or not this reaches the level of criminality is a good question.
15/03/2011 12:36:40 AM
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yes but first you will have to prove she in inciting violience
15/03/2011 07:55:47 PM
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She wants the Marines to assist US citizens to paradise; I think it's proven.
15/03/2011 08:39:29 PM
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no Joel isn't proven and if you think it is you need to look up what the proof means
15/03/2011 09:36:32 PM
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"Those terrorists" was a blanket statement directed at the people attending the fundraiser.
15/03/2011 10:52:51 PM
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prove it
16/03/2011 01:12:55 AM
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So we're back to "prove what you've already proven multiple times" again; fine, I'm done then.
16/03/2011 02:16:35 AM
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Is it acceptable....
14/03/2011 03:52:14 PM
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Elected officials shouldn't suggest the US Marines murder US citizens.
14/03/2011 07:39:42 PM
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I agree but do have an example of that happening or are you just twisiting what was said there?
14/03/2011 09:12:10 PM
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Dude, I QUOTED an example in my above response to you.
14/03/2011 10:11:02 PM
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You have one line tyaken out of context and even then you are spinning it
14/03/2011 11:04:38 PM
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No, just quoting it.
15/03/2011 12:42:31 AM
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so you are just going to ignore the edit and belive what you want to believe
15/03/2011 02:58:36 PM
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I believe what I saw and heard; why can't you?
15/03/2011 08:55:45 PM
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you saw and herd a few sentences taken out of context
15/03/2011 09:29:55 PM
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You think that speech gets better if we listen to all of it?
15/03/2011 10:53:55 PM
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no Joel you don't know Jack shit about what she said
16/03/2011 01:21:47 AM
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She said what she said, whether or not you want to believe your eyes and ears.
16/03/2011 02:16:59 AM
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Simmer down
14/03/2011 09:50:05 PM
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Well, if you aren't trying to equate them even the dubious "two wrongs make a right" defense fails.
14/03/2011 10:01:57 PM
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no different than using a quote out of context
14/03/2011 08:25:22 PM
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Too clarify...
14/03/2011 08:40:19 PM
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