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didn't you call Romo a choker because he hasn't won the big games? random thoughts Send a noteboard - 08/02/2011 04:24:04 PM
Come on now if you are going to judge QBs by how many SBs they have won no matter how well the actaully played then you have to give the credit for winning one even if they don't deserve it. Rodgers did play a great game and I guess he earned it as much as anyone else on the team.

I don't judge QBs by how many SBs they've won (where does that leave Tarkenton, Fouts, Marino, Kelly, Moon, McNair and McNabb, to name just a few from my own life time?) It kinda nauseates me that people think guys like Phil Simms and Terry Bradshaw were stellar QBs just because they happen to fall into HoF teams. Jim McMahon and Doug Williams were great QBs because they were in the right place at the right time? Johnny Unitas was on the bench with sore ribs the whole time Earl Morrall was leading the Colts to victory over the Cowboys in SB V; would he be a bum if the Cowboys had won? For my money the best QB in history was Otto Graham (7-3 in championships over his ten year career; that's right: Otto Graham was in a championship game EVERY SEASON HE PLAYED, including the Browns perfect season in '48!)
Besides most sports fans really are not that smart and they prefer if you keep things simple. It is eaiser to just give all the credit or blame to one or two players that ESPN likes to talk about then it is to really understand the dynamics of a team. Besides sports fans have to have their heros.

Fine, but if you start handing out titles based on a preponderance of ignorance you end up with Congress. :P
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Super Bowl XLV Pick 'Em: Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Green Bay Packers Joel - 06/02/2011 10:54:32 PM 783 Views
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And the Packer pick off! nossy - 07/02/2011 12:08:27 AM 530 Views
I'm'a stop responding to you 'cos Roethlisberger throws a dumb pick every time I do. Joel - 07/02/2011 12:47:23 AM 584 Views
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Re: He did get pushed into Roethlisberger at a very inopportune time. TaskmasterJack - 09/02/2011 12:16:22 AM 647 Views
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Better keep replying. Dannymac - 07/02/2011 02:38:15 AM 467 Views
Seriously? Joel - 07/02/2011 03:20:44 AM 620 Views
Thanks! Dannymac - 07/02/2011 03:31:29 AM 527 Views
NP Joel - 07/02/2011 04:11:40 AM 604 Views
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Right, I keep forgetting the last FG, sorry. Joel - 07/02/2011 06:19:50 AM 570 Views
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i can't help that you will always look for the cloud to every silver lining moondog - 08/02/2011 01:37:38 AM 547 Views
Again, I'm just saying give credit where it's due, and that's the Packers defence, by a fair margin. Joel - 08/02/2011 02:02:05 PM 599 Views
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I'm aware; I'm just not sure why that makes Aaron Rodgers the Most Valuable Player. Joel - 08/02/2011 02:04:41 PM 582 Views
because he is the QB random thoughts - 08/02/2011 03:23:23 PM 584 Views
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didn't you call Romo a choker because he hasn't won the big games? random thoughts - 08/02/2011 04:24:04 PM 667 Views
Because he's LOST big games as a direct result of things he actually DID. Joel - 08/02/2011 04:56:00 PM 588 Views
no it is a team sport and the his poor play at QB is not the reason they lost those games random thoughts - 08/02/2011 05:16:22 PM 525 Views
and random thoughts - 08/02/2011 05:17:49 PM 692 Views
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My persoanl preiction was the mirror opposite of the actual result. *NM* Stephen - 07/02/2011 03:31:08 AM 243 Views
I hate when that happens. Joel - 07/02/2011 03:55:35 AM 540 Views
gghrhahrhghg! ßelals Girl - 07/02/2011 04:08:17 AM 585 Views
For once we agree completely. Joel - 07/02/2011 04:17:50 AM 795 Views
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I loathe both teams and their fans; I find Packers fans far more insufferably arrogant. Joel - 07/02/2011 06:28:22 AM 606 Views
Super Bowls, Super Bowls, Super Bowls. Dannymac - 07/02/2011 08:42:39 AM 633 Views
Pittsburgh isn't a large market? That matters since the Pack instituted drafts and profit sharing? Joel - 07/02/2011 09:34:03 AM 596 Views
Quite true. We are significantly better than sliced bread. Dannymac - 07/02/2011 07:34:57 PM 521 Views
I know which I prefer. Joel - 08/02/2011 03:14:11 PM 640 Views
actually.... moondog - 09/02/2011 01:37:54 AM 488 Views
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I never stopped being a Cowboys fan. Joel - 07/02/2011 03:53:03 PM 596 Views
I was going for Steelers. Kronin al'Sulc - 07/02/2011 05:53:38 AM 478 Views
Aw, Pitt doesn't seem so bad... Joel - 07/02/2011 06:29:09 AM 608 Views
I was going for Steelers. Kronin al'Sulc - 07/02/2011 05:53:38 AM 550 Views
Emphatically, it seems. Joel - 07/02/2011 09:46:18 AM 493 Views
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Yick. Joel - 08/02/2011 01:32:31 PM 473 Views
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HAHAHAHA!! moondog - 09/02/2011 01:40:16 AM 640 Views
i'm gonna go out on another limb and pick the packers to win the super bowl! moondog - 07/02/2011 01:32:32 PM 569 Views
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Great game. callandor1000 - 07/02/2011 02:49:22 PM 462 Views
It was exciting, but I'm more inclined to agree with Palatine about the quality. Joel - 08/02/2011 01:46:47 PM 670 Views
Re: It was exciting, but I'm more inclined to agree with Palatine about the quality. callandor1000 - 08/02/2011 02:32:53 PM 619 Views
Slo mo counts on replays; that's the point. Joel - 08/02/2011 03:24:23 PM 552 Views
despise everything they represent??? moondog - 09/02/2011 01:54:07 AM 670 Views
Re: Slo mo counts on replays; that's the point. callandor1000 - 09/02/2011 02:48:55 PM 875 Views
I don't pick teams, I root for teams. Palatine - 07/02/2011 06:06:50 PM 419 Views
I can pick a team when I don't care who wins; would that that had been the case here. Joel - 08/02/2011 01:57:20 PM 563 Views
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