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Re: Pretty serious Legolas Send a noteboard - 30/01/2011 05:11:50 PM
The US was not a foreign country, they were considered rebels. The comparison would be that in Egypt people suffer a lack of basic rights we take for granted in the west these days and prisoners were treated horribly... considering those rights now taken for granted were not particularly common place during the American Reovlution and the prisoners suffered, and that many of the colonists came over to escape the various religious and political persecutions that take place in lots of these modern dictatorships still, I think the analogy is appropriate.

Yes, and? The Confederacy wasn't considered a foreign country, either, but still the Civil War was very much a war. I'm not sure why the Revolutionary War should be any different. The point is that it's a war against an organized army, and that the abused people in question were members of that army, who had taken up arms against the British army and would do so again. Nothing like repression of innocent citizens, which indeed the British didn't do prior to the outbreak of the war, except for isolated incidents like the Boston Massacre. During the war, I imagine there'll have been more incidents, but still that does not compare to systematic repression in peacetime.
I don't consider it 'quibbling' when someone implies the US rebelled over trifles.

Trifles is your word, not mine. The US had its reasons for wanting independence, and I am not making any judgement here about whether those reasons were good enough to take independence by force. But good enough or not, you cannot let your nationalism blind you to the point of claiming that the British burden was remotely comparable to the colonial burdens in most other colonized countries, including some colonized by the British themselves, or to repressive dictatorial regimes now. And hence, I invite you yet again to comment on the part of this discussion that's relevant to the topic at hand - whether it's reasonable to expect the Egyptian people to obtain its freedom in a manner as gentlemanly as the Americans did it.
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If anyone's looking for up-to-date info on what's going on in Egypt - 28/01/2011 08:08:31 PM 623 Views
I've been following it on the BBC website. - 28/01/2011 09:49:47 PM 358 Views
Clarify: Democracy fans should favor the protesters because they have more violent thugs,right? - 28/01/2011 11:37:48 PM 473 Views
and socialism fans should favor the violent dicator since he can bring order and subsidies - 29/01/2011 12:16:37 AM 341 Views
He mainly seems to bring close diplomatic ties to the US and alternatives to the Muslim Brotherhood - 29/01/2011 12:59:48 AM 492 Views
You might want to do a quick check on the political situation in Egypt at this time. - 29/01/2011 11:37:02 AM 406 Views
I've done a quick one; it makes me question whether government by the protesters would be better. - 29/01/2011 11:44:10 PM 377 Views
They're not saying "We want to rule". - 30/01/2011 01:26:03 AM 388 Views
SOMEONE is going to rule. - 30/01/2011 02:16:43 AM 411 Views
It's a fairly simple matter, really. - 29/01/2011 11:52:41 AM 416 Views
The trouble with free elections is: They're free. - 29/01/2011 11:53:22 PM 326 Views
A vote for dictatorship and against democracy it is. Just checking. - 30/01/2011 12:08:41 AM 366 Views
I haven't cast a vote. - 30/01/2011 02:02:11 AM 346 Views
Not one that counts no, but still. - 30/01/2011 01:11:59 PM 812 Views
None of any kind. - 31/01/2011 12:10:07 AM 387 Views
Since I'm clearly a glutton for punishment... - 01/02/2011 06:49:38 PM 738 Views
Re: Since I'm clearly a glutton for punishment... - 04/02/2011 11:38:10 PM 500 Views
You're not seriously expecting them to do their revolution American Revolution-style, are you? - 29/01/2011 11:28:31 AM 392 Views
British Colonialism wasn't a walk in the park - 30/01/2011 03:53:58 AM 346 Views
Comparatively speaking, yes, it really was. Or at least in the US - not always so much in Asia. - 30/01/2011 10:42:53 AM 336 Views
Re: Comparatively speaking, yes, it really was. Or at least in the US - not always so much in Asia. - 30/01/2011 02:32:52 PM 390 Views
You can't be serious. - 30/01/2011 03:07:18 PM 325 Views
Pretty serious - 30/01/2011 04:52:24 PM 481 Views
Re: Pretty serious - 30/01/2011 05:11:50 PM 375 Views
This is ridicolous - 30/01/2011 05:31:31 PM 436 Views
you forget that it was supposdely thier own citizens the British were abusing. - 31/01/2011 12:39:33 AM 429 Views
Sure, but organized into hostile armies. A rather different matter, that. *NM* - 31/01/2011 09:46:25 PM 149 Views
true - 31/01/2011 10:04:38 PM 337 Views
Your comparison is very odd - 30/01/2011 04:38:16 PM 418 Views
Why? - 30/01/2011 05:02:47 PM 368 Views
I dont know if this will help you understand what is going on there - 30/01/2011 02:45:41 AM 362 Views
I never called anyone an animal. - 30/01/2011 04:50:12 AM 451 Views
Yikes indeed - 29/01/2011 03:57:25 AM 388 Views
There seems to be some big misconceptions about the Egyption crisis - 31/01/2011 11:52:37 PM 624 Views

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