You maybe forgotten or are unaware of the British Prison Ships like the HMS Jersey?
I was unaware, but I'm afraid it really doesn't matter that much for the sake of my argument. Particularly since I was speaking of the regime at the moment the revolt began, rather than war crimes committed during the war, because otherwise comparing to Egypt now is rather difficult. I'm not saying the Americans didn't have legitimate grievances justifying their revolt, or that ugly things didn't happen during the resulting Revolutionary War, but let's not pretend the situation was even remotely comparable to the one in Egypt now, or most other dictatorial regimes throughout history. There was the Boston Massacre of course, but there was no systematic policy of repression and imprisoning or murder of dissenters. Which is why Joel's talk of "redress of grievances" is absurd. It's great if you can do a revolution in the rather civilized and dignified way the American Founding Fathers did it, but it's ridiculous to pretend that that's possible in all cases. It certainly isn't here.
I have difficulty seeing a difference between locking up thousands of rebels on prison ships to starve to death while being horribly abused versus the Egyptian Dictator locking up thousands of rebels in prison to be horribly abused.
So you want to compare a pre-Geneva treatment of PoWs to what a regime does to his own citizens? Does that mean we should raise that rug under which were swept those numerous massacres of Loyalists during the Revolutionary War, a number that is considerably higher than those who died on the HMS Jersey? Or skip along down the historical road to Andersonville, which was several degrees worse than what was encountered on that prison ship?
Between 1607 and April 18, 1775, the list of "oppressive" measures the British imposed in the thirteen colonies pales significantly to what was enacted in India in the 18th and 19th centuries or what happened in Congo under Leopold or pretty much anywhere else being "colonized" during that time. Considering that those actions were imposed by civil officials rather than by military officials during war conditions, perhaps you might want to revisit your comments and provide evidence of British civil officials pre-war imposing anything more onerous than a few taxes that weren't any heavier than what the British subjects themselves had to pay in Great Britain at the time? The harshest I can recall was the shutting down of Boston Harbor and the revoking of Massachusetts colonial charter, both measures that didn't see tens of thousands of people assaulted in the streets or shot.
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If anyone's looking for up-to-date info on what's going on in Egypt
28/01/2011 08:08:31 PM
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Clarify: Democracy fans should favor the protesters because they have more violent thugs,right?
28/01/2011 11:37:48 PM
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and socialism fans should favor the violent dicator since he can bring order and subsidies
29/01/2011 12:16:37 AM
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He mainly seems to bring close diplomatic ties to the US and alternatives to the Muslim Brotherhood
29/01/2011 12:59:48 AM
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You might want to do a quick check on the political situation in Egypt at this time.
29/01/2011 11:37:02 AM
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I've done a quick one; it makes me question whether government by the protesters would be better.
29/01/2011 11:44:10 PM
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It's a fairly simple matter, really.
29/01/2011 11:52:41 AM
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The trouble with free elections is: They're free.
29/01/2011 11:53:22 PM
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A vote for dictatorship and against democracy it is. Just checking.
30/01/2011 12:08:41 AM
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I haven't cast a vote.
30/01/2011 02:02:11 AM
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Not one that counts no, but still.
30/01/2011 01:11:59 PM
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None of any kind.
31/01/2011 12:10:07 AM
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so you support tyranny of others if it makes things more comfortable for you?
30/01/2011 05:15:01 AM
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I oppose brutal oppression; I'm unconvinced either side in this will end it, thus I withhold support
30/01/2011 05:21:37 AM
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some times it is black and white
31/01/2011 12:37:36 AM
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I fully support their right to demand democracy; I don't expect they'll get it, whatever happens.
31/01/2011 01:45:23 AM
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You're not seriously expecting them to do their revolution American Revolution-style, are you?
29/01/2011 11:28:31 AM
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I think terrorizing innocents and torching buildings is a poor way to claim the moral highground.
29/01/2011 11:32:19 PM
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British Colonialism wasn't a walk in the park
30/01/2011 03:53:58 AM
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Comparatively speaking, yes, it really was. Or at least in the US - not always so much in Asia.
30/01/2011 10:42:53 AM
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Re: Comparatively speaking, yes, it really was. Or at least in the US - not always so much in Asia.
30/01/2011 02:32:52 PM
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You can't be serious.
30/01/2011 03:07:18 PM
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Pretty serious
30/01/2011 04:52:24 PM
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Re: Pretty serious
30/01/2011 05:11:50 PM
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This is ridicolous
30/01/2011 05:31:31 PM
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I wouldn't normally think this necessary with you, but okay: let's go back and see what I said.
30/01/2011 06:34:09 PM
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you forget that it was supposdely thier own citizens the British were abusing.
31/01/2011 12:39:33 AM
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Sure, but organized into hostile armies. A rather different matter, that. *NM*
31/01/2011 09:46:25 PM
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Your comparison is very odd
30/01/2011 04:38:16 PM
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I dont know if this will help you understand what is going on there
30/01/2011 02:45:41 AM
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Yikes indeed
29/01/2011 03:57:25 AM
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Apparently Egypt blocked access to Facebook, Twitter and some other websites.
29/01/2011 11:38:46 AM
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Heh, her update was basically "Thanks for turning facebook back on, Egypt."
29/01/2011 06:36:49 PM
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There seems to be some big misconceptions about the Egyption crisis
31/01/2011 11:52:37 PM
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