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Your comparison is very odd Larry Send a noteboard - 30/01/2011 04:38:16 PM
You maybe forgotten or are unaware of the British Prison Ships like the HMS Jersey?

I was unaware, but I'm afraid it really doesn't matter that much for the sake of my argument. Particularly since I was speaking of the regime at the moment the revolt began, rather than war crimes committed during the war, because otherwise comparing to Egypt now is rather difficult. I'm not saying the Americans didn't have legitimate grievances justifying their revolt, or that ugly things didn't happen during the resulting Revolutionary War, but let's not pretend the situation was even remotely comparable to the one in Egypt now, or most other dictatorial regimes throughout history. There was the Boston Massacre of course, but there was no systematic policy of repression and imprisoning or murder of dissenters. Which is why Joel's talk of "redress of grievances" is absurd. It's great if you can do a revolution in the rather civilized and dignified way the American Founding Fathers did it, but it's ridiculous to pretend that that's possible in all cases. It certainly isn't here.


I have difficulty seeing a difference between locking up thousands of rebels on prison ships to starve to death while being horribly abused versus the Egyptian Dictator locking up thousands of rebels in prison to be horribly abused.


So you want to compare a pre-Geneva treatment of PoWs to what a regime does to his own citizens? Does that mean we should raise that rug under which were swept those numerous massacres of Loyalists during the Revolutionary War, a number that is considerably higher than those who died on the HMS Jersey? Or skip along down the historical road to Andersonville, which was several degrees worse than what was encountered on that prison ship?

Between 1607 and April 18, 1775, the list of "oppressive" measures the British imposed in the thirteen colonies pales significantly to what was enacted in India in the 18th and 19th centuries or what happened in Congo under Leopold or pretty much anywhere else being "colonized" during that time. Considering that those actions were imposed by civil officials rather than by military officials during war conditions, perhaps you might want to revisit your comments and provide evidence of British civil officials pre-war imposing anything more onerous than a few taxes that weren't any heavier than what the British subjects themselves had to pay in Great Britain at the time? The harshest I can recall was the shutting down of Boston Harbor and the revoking of Massachusetts colonial charter, both measures that didn't see tens of thousands of people assaulted in the streets or shot.
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