The greater trouble in places like the Mid-East is that when suffrage is predicated on "right thinking" it's a sham democracy.
You think a Muslim Brotherhood government would be more sympathetic to clerics they considered heretical? If 51% of Egypt thinks women should be illiterate and covered to their eyes, rock music is treason and infidels and homosexuals should be stoned like the apostates they are, does that make it right because the majority demands it? If Mubarak averts that with more moderate condemnation and thuggery against would be thugs does that mean we should support his overthrow by the less enlightened but more violent and extreme elements opposing him? It's their country and their call, but I see little reason to expect Mubaraks replacements would be any better than he, and real reason to worry they might be worse. Thus I don't feel obliged to cheer them on as they chant "democracy" as they hurl their Molotovs along with the same "democratic" factions who murder terrorists for being foreign and Copts for being non-Muslim.
Do you advocate democracy in the Middle East, which might indeed very well result in increased influence for the Islamist parties - as we saw in Palestine's elections back in, what was it, 2006? - or do you say, no, screw democracy, it's better to maintain the dictatorships as long as the dictators keep out the Islamists. Despite, of course, the fact that most of the dictators, for all that they're secular, do get involved in religious matters and suppress different religious opinions, just to keep the Islamists happy.
In the case of Egypt, you have to wonder what secularity it is, exactly, that you're defending, when you know what the regime did to Nasr Abu Zayd, a Muslim theologian who dared to question certain religious dogmas: they declared his views made him an apostate, forcibly took away his official registration as a Muslim and as a consequence of that annulled his marriage, as a non-Muslim man couldn't be married to a Muslim woman. He and his now-ex-wife (by Egyptian law, anyway; her opinion was never asked) had to emigrate to the Netherlands to live in peace.
In the case of Egypt, you have to wonder what secularity it is, exactly, that you're defending, when you know what the regime did to Nasr Abu Zayd, a Muslim theologian who dared to question certain religious dogmas: they declared his views made him an apostate, forcibly took away his official registration as a Muslim and as a consequence of that annulled his marriage, as a non-Muslim man couldn't be married to a Muslim woman. He and his now-ex-wife (by Egyptian law, anyway; her opinion was never asked) had to emigrate to the Netherlands to live in peace.
You think a Muslim Brotherhood government would be more sympathetic to clerics they considered heretical? If 51% of Egypt thinks women should be illiterate and covered to their eyes, rock music is treason and infidels and homosexuals should be stoned like the apostates they are, does that make it right because the majority demands it? If Mubarak averts that with more moderate condemnation and thuggery against would be thugs does that mean we should support his overthrow by the less enlightened but more violent and extreme elements opposing him? It's their country and their call, but I see little reason to expect Mubaraks replacements would be any better than he, and real reason to worry they might be worse. Thus I don't feel obliged to cheer them on as they chant "democracy" as they hurl their Molotovs along with the same "democratic" factions who murder terrorists for being foreign and Copts for being non-Muslim.
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Slightly better than chocolate.
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Please Don't Eat the Newbies!
LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
If anyone's looking for up-to-date info on what's going on in Egypt
28/01/2011 08:08:31 PM
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Clarify: Democracy fans should favor the protesters because they have more violent thugs,right?
28/01/2011 11:37:48 PM
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and socialism fans should favor the violent dicator since he can bring order and subsidies
29/01/2011 12:16:37 AM
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He mainly seems to bring close diplomatic ties to the US and alternatives to the Muslim Brotherhood
29/01/2011 12:59:48 AM
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You might want to do a quick check on the political situation in Egypt at this time.
29/01/2011 11:37:02 AM
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I've done a quick one; it makes me question whether government by the protesters would be better.
29/01/2011 11:44:10 PM
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It's a fairly simple matter, really.
29/01/2011 11:52:41 AM
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The trouble with free elections is: They're free.
29/01/2011 11:53:22 PM
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A vote for dictatorship and against democracy it is. Just checking.
30/01/2011 12:08:41 AM
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I haven't cast a vote.
30/01/2011 02:02:11 AM
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Not one that counts no, but still.
30/01/2011 01:11:59 PM
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None of any kind.
31/01/2011 12:10:07 AM
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so you support tyranny of others if it makes things more comfortable for you?
30/01/2011 05:15:01 AM
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I oppose brutal oppression; I'm unconvinced either side in this will end it, thus I withhold support
30/01/2011 05:21:37 AM
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some times it is black and white
31/01/2011 12:37:36 AM
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I fully support their right to demand democracy; I don't expect they'll get it, whatever happens.
31/01/2011 01:45:23 AM
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You're not seriously expecting them to do their revolution American Revolution-style, are you?
29/01/2011 11:28:31 AM
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I think terrorizing innocents and torching buildings is a poor way to claim the moral highground.
29/01/2011 11:32:19 PM
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British Colonialism wasn't a walk in the park
30/01/2011 03:53:58 AM
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Comparatively speaking, yes, it really was. Or at least in the US - not always so much in Asia.
30/01/2011 10:42:53 AM
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Re: Comparatively speaking, yes, it really was. Or at least in the US - not always so much in Asia.
30/01/2011 02:32:52 PM
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You can't be serious.
30/01/2011 03:07:18 PM
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Pretty serious
30/01/2011 04:52:24 PM
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Re: Pretty serious
30/01/2011 05:11:50 PM
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This is ridicolous
30/01/2011 05:31:31 PM
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I wouldn't normally think this necessary with you, but okay: let's go back and see what I said.
30/01/2011 06:34:09 PM
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you forget that it was supposdely thier own citizens the British were abusing.
31/01/2011 12:39:33 AM
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Sure, but organized into hostile armies. A rather different matter, that. *NM*
31/01/2011 09:46:25 PM
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I dont know if this will help you understand what is going on there
30/01/2011 02:45:41 AM
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Yikes indeed
29/01/2011 03:57:25 AM
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Apparently Egypt blocked access to Facebook, Twitter and some other websites.
29/01/2011 11:38:46 AM
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Heh, her update was basically "Thanks for turning facebook back on, Egypt."
29/01/2011 06:36:49 PM
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There seems to be some big misconceptions about the Egyption crisis
31/01/2011 11:52:37 PM
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