I've done a quick one; it makes me question whether government by the protesters would be better.
Joel Send a noteboard - 29/01/2011 11:44:10 PM
Seriously.
Seriously, Mubarak's an authoritarian thug who uses intimidation and outright violence to silence dissent he can't throw in a hole by virtue of several decades worth of emergeny powers. Essentially, Egypt has been in an ongoing state of martial law for some time--but what reason do I have to believe the overthrow of Mubarak would turn out any differently than the overthrow of the Shah? Haven't we made this mistake enough times already? Just because a free election approves slavery or genocide doesn't make it right because it has the holy aura of democracy (and never mind the minoritys whose rights are ignored, whose very survival is threatened). Torching buildings, terrorizing bystanders and lobbing Molotov cocktails presents me little evidence that freedom is on the march here.
Sure, I'm disgusted with Mubarak's police beating a dissident to death--I was also disgusted along with everyone else when the revolutionary clerics ruling Iran for 30 years shot a woman in the head for protesting a couple years ago. If thuggery is the order of the day whoever comes out on top, Mubaraks authoritarian order is ORDER, and that's preferable to a nation wide religious war with a Muslim Brotherhood government military clearly on one side. Mubarak's no humanitarian, but how many more terrorist shootings at the pyramids and terrorist Christmas bombings would there be without him? If that's the only change the protesters are offering, why should I stand up and cheer because they call it democracy? It's their country, once again; respect for free expression and self determination means we have no more right to dictate other countrys government than we do the beliefs of our own citizens. I'm just saying that before we embrace either faction we should take a look at what it has to offer, because opposing Mubarak doesn't automatically put all the protesters on the side of justice.
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This message last edited by Joel on 29/01/2011 at 11:53:58 PM
If anyone's looking for up-to-date info on what's going on in Egypt
28/01/2011 08:08:31 PM
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Clarify: Democracy fans should favor the protesters because they have more violent thugs,right?
28/01/2011 11:37:48 PM
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and socialism fans should favor the violent dicator since he can bring order and subsidies
29/01/2011 12:16:37 AM
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He mainly seems to bring close diplomatic ties to the US and alternatives to the Muslim Brotherhood
29/01/2011 12:59:48 AM
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You might want to do a quick check on the political situation in Egypt at this time.
29/01/2011 11:37:02 AM
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I've done a quick one; it makes me question whether government by the protesters would be better.
29/01/2011 11:44:10 PM
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It's a fairly simple matter, really.
29/01/2011 11:52:41 AM
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The trouble with free elections is: They're free.
29/01/2011 11:53:22 PM
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A vote for dictatorship and against democracy it is. Just checking.
30/01/2011 12:08:41 AM
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I haven't cast a vote.
30/01/2011 02:02:11 AM
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Not one that counts no, but still.
30/01/2011 01:11:59 PM
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None of any kind.
31/01/2011 12:10:07 AM
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so you support tyranny of others if it makes things more comfortable for you?
30/01/2011 05:15:01 AM
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I oppose brutal oppression; I'm unconvinced either side in this will end it, thus I withhold support
30/01/2011 05:21:37 AM
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some times it is black and white
31/01/2011 12:37:36 AM
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I fully support their right to demand democracy; I don't expect they'll get it, whatever happens.
31/01/2011 01:45:23 AM
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You're not seriously expecting them to do their revolution American Revolution-style, are you?
29/01/2011 11:28:31 AM
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I think terrorizing innocents and torching buildings is a poor way to claim the moral highground.
29/01/2011 11:32:19 PM
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British Colonialism wasn't a walk in the park
30/01/2011 03:53:58 AM
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Comparatively speaking, yes, it really was. Or at least in the US - not always so much in Asia.
30/01/2011 10:42:53 AM
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Re: Comparatively speaking, yes, it really was. Or at least in the US - not always so much in Asia.
30/01/2011 02:32:52 PM
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You can't be serious.
30/01/2011 03:07:18 PM
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Pretty serious
30/01/2011 04:52:24 PM
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Re: Pretty serious
30/01/2011 05:11:50 PM
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This is ridicolous
30/01/2011 05:31:31 PM
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I wouldn't normally think this necessary with you, but okay: let's go back and see what I said.
30/01/2011 06:34:09 PM
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you forget that it was supposdely thier own citizens the British were abusing.
31/01/2011 12:39:33 AM
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Sure, but organized into hostile armies. A rather different matter, that. *NM*
31/01/2011 09:46:25 PM
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I dont know if this will help you understand what is going on there
30/01/2011 02:45:41 AM
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Yikes indeed
29/01/2011 03:57:25 AM
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Apparently Egypt blocked access to Facebook, Twitter and some other websites.
29/01/2011 11:38:46 AM
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Heh, her update was basically "Thanks for turning facebook back on, Egypt."
29/01/2011 06:36:49 PM
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There seems to be some big misconceptions about the Egyption crisis
31/01/2011 11:52:37 PM
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