Re: Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months.
Stephen Send a noteboard - 23/01/2011 09:29:03 PM
Well, I think every time Fine Gael have been in government, it's been with Labour as a junior partner. This time there is the potential for Labour to get at least on a par with Fine Gael which might change their outlook if a coalition were to form. Also, they have been agreeing on very little recently, other than opposition to the current crowd.
Interesting. Are there many alternatives, though, considering that Fianna Fail almost certainly won't be available for the government?
I doubt there will be any alternative. Or at least i'd hope not, because that would mean Sinn fein in government.
Fine gael are probably more economically liberal, but socially conservative compared to Fianna Fail. They traditonally had a Christian ethos, as opposed to Fianna Fail's republicanism, and had their origins in the pro-treaty side in the irish civil war, while Fianna Fail came from the anti-treaty side.
Huh. Here was me thinking Fianna Fail had a Christian ethos - what with them having been dominant all along in the after all very Catholic Ireland, until fairly recently anyway.
True, the constitution was basically drafted by Eamonn De valera and a priest, whose name escapes me.
And as for "more economically liberal", that's a rather ambiguous statement on an international website. Should I interpret that as more left-wing or more right-wing?
Minimal government interference type. So I guess that's right wing liberal.
For some reason I had them in my mind as being roughly similar to the German situation - Fine Gael as more right-wing economically but socially progressive, Fianna Fail the reverse. But I see I've got it almost entirely the wrong way around, then.
Fine Gael are affiliated with the European People's Party, and Fianna Fail with the European Liberal Democratic and reform Party, if that clears much up for you.
He's the president of Sinn fein for both parts. It's the one party. He's technically an MP but has never taken his seat, in line with the Sinn Fein policy. He was an MLA until last year, I believe. He's going to be running for the Dail in this election.
So is he an Irish citizen or a British one? How he can be a British MP, absentionist or not, if he's an Irish citizen, and vice versa? This is very confusing.
People from Northern Ireland can claim dual nationality. It's part of one of the peace treaty things. As he's from Belfast he can claim both nationalities.
That does seem like a difficult situation. Is there much a middle ground between any of the Flemish and Francophone parties other than the largest two? And where do the German speakers fit into that whole configuration?
There are, I can never remember, somewhere between 40,000 and 70,000 German speakers in Belgium, out of a total population of about eleven million now. Suffice to say, our trilinguality is mostly just a technicality - they're still busy with the process of translating old laws to German, as they'd never gotten around to that before. Still, the German speakers are doing their best to maximize their influence, both by trying to mediate in the current crisis (by virtue of being culturally closer to the Flemish, while living in Wallonia), and by making futile attempts to become a full-fletched fourth region.
As for middle ground, truth be told, not that much, or at least not on the issues at stake. Flemish parties are far more right-wing as a whole. Each party other than the nationalist ones does have a counterpart on the other side of the language border - until the 1960s we had nation-wide parties, but they all split along language lines - but those have been diverging more and more. The Flemish socialists are quite sick of being the victim of the Flemish voters' desire to express their dislike of the Francophone socialists in the only way they can, for instance. The Greens have made valiant attempts throughout this crisis to profile themselves as the only "political family" in which the two parties are on good terms and agree on most things, but even they fundamentally disagree on the big issues causing the political deadlock.
I'm not sure this is even making much sense to you - it really would take a few hours' worth of infodumping to make any outsider understand matters completely, I think.
Yes, my Wikipedia searching has left me somewhat dumb founded.
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So the Irish government has basically imploded.
23/01/2011 04:47:10 PM
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I am now confused
23/01/2011 05:34:31 PM
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You do realize Britain is pretty much the envy of the Western world at the moment?
23/01/2011 06:27:05 PM
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Re: You do realize Britain is pretty much the envy of the Western world at the moment?
23/01/2011 06:34:47 PM
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I did. There was more violence than in ours, that's true (ours have none so far, knock on wood).
23/01/2011 06:41:34 PM
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Re: I did. There was more violence than in ours, that's true (ours have none so far, knock on wood).
23/01/2011 06:43:41 PM
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Those protests were only violent by British standards.
23/01/2011 11:54:15 PM
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What protests?
24/01/2011 07:26:49 PM
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Re: What protests?
24/01/2011 07:28:40 PM
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Re: What protests?
25/01/2011 09:23:17 AM
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There's a new objection
25/01/2011 11:38:25 AM
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I didn't object...
25/01/2011 11:47:11 AM
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And Britain had to live with the Conservative Wilderness for 15 years before it could get there *NM*
24/01/2011 02:43:16 AM
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Should I start chiming in on Norwegian politics now that I'm here...?
24/01/2011 12:42:03 AM
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Why not?
24/01/2011 08:49:07 AM
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'Cos I doubt you'll like what I have to say, for one thing.
26/01/2011 01:55:13 AM
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That's been a while coming, hasn't it? Cowen seems to be losing it.
23/01/2011 05:48:30 PM
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Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months.
23/01/2011 06:27:27 PM
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23/01/2011 06:33:26 PM
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Re: Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months.
23/01/2011 07:19:03 PM
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Re: Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months.
23/01/2011 07:57:05 PM
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Re: Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months.
23/01/2011 09:29:03 PM
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Re: Certainly. he's been on dodgy ground for a couple months.
23/01/2011 09:46:20 PM
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I think Adams is an Irish citizen, and not a British one.
23/01/2011 11:45:34 PM
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I found out something else today which makes it even better.
24/01/2011 10:37:45 PM
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I was reading your post and going "what about the Chiltern Hundreds"?
24/01/2011 10:44:32 PM
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Oh, alternatively we could elevate him to the House of Lords.
26/01/2011 11:08:44 PM
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Awesome idea. Something like "Baron Adams of Londonderry", I'm thinking. *NM*
27/01/2011 07:54:26 PM
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We made his arch-rival a Lord, after all, so it would only be fair.
28/01/2011 08:26:15 AM
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Here you go
25/01/2011 12:55:33 PM
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well, the only interesting thing in swedish politics is a wikileaks document and the reactions...
23/01/2011 06:21:00 PM
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What is inappropriate about trying to keep out barbaric unskilled people?
23/01/2011 10:59:53 PM
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The inappropriateness is the generalisation in the claim
23/01/2011 11:16:52 PM
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Generalizations are inappropriate when they are disproven by statistics, and appropriate when proven
24/01/2011 07:33:14 PM
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I've looked into the statistics a bit more.
24/01/2011 09:11:52 PM
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I take it you're talking about the Middle East in its most narrow sense here.
24/01/2011 09:56:22 PM
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... the fact that they are asylum seekers, and their skill certainly shouldn't matter in that case.
24/01/2011 07:08:14 PM
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Hopefully they'll stop using Irish officially as a way to cut down on unnecessary costs.
23/01/2011 10:57:08 PM
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I'd support that
23/01/2011 11:26:20 PM
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Ironically, if you de-officialised Irish you could get EU money to help preserve it.
23/01/2011 11:48:14 PM
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But why, why?
24/01/2011 08:35:43 PM
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Because it's the only thing justifying their insistence they're not British?
24/01/2011 10:03:54 PM
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But all language learning should be purely voluntary (after what parents teach their children).
25/01/2011 03:05:28 AM
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What, so you don't think students in high school should be taught foreign languages?
25/01/2011 06:34:21 PM
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Irish is the mother tongue of about 7,000-15,000 people at most.
26/01/2011 05:04:00 AM
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Wikipedia says it's more like 40k-80k.
26/01/2011 06:41:41 PM
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And Elaine, Stephen, or any other Irish people here: do feel free to comment. *NM*
26/01/2011 06:42:36 PM
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More to the point, are YOU interested in learning Irish?
26/01/2011 05:15:18 AM
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Calling Ireland the new Sodom and Gomorrah, are you?
26/01/2011 06:02:05 PM
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I don't think it's as fun as Sodom and Gomorrah, at least not post-crisis.
26/01/2011 09:48:54 PM
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Re: I don't think it's as fun as Sodom and Gomorrah, at least not post-crisis.
27/01/2011 08:42:21 PM
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Presumably because they agree with J.R.R. Tolkien and Tómas Sæmundsson about language's importance.
24/01/2011 10:16:05 PM
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So Australians and New Zealanders are really English then? Austrians are just Germans?
25/01/2011 03:01:14 AM
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I never said I agreed .
25/01/2011 08:19:11 AM
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I would suggest that a distinct dialect does the job just as well
25/01/2011 02:23:59 PM
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The thing is, people who feel really strongly about that usually insist it's a separate language.
28/01/2011 04:20:57 PM
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It's really more about having a unique silly costume to wear at Miss Universe pageants.
26/01/2011 05:09:10 AM
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You're confusing what we sell to gullible American tourists with what we actually value . *NM*
28/01/2011 04:15:01 PM
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What the hell happened to the Celtic Tiger Country? *NM*
24/01/2011 05:47:12 AM
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The Celtic Tiger is dead, Ireland had a GDP contraction of 14% in the last two years.
24/01/2011 01:47:06 PM
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It's still there, but it aimed a bit too high and got a bit scorched.
24/01/2011 10:07:36 PM
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