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No, you're simply missing the point of it. Joel Send a noteboard - 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM
That WAS the original claim, you may recall; now we're debating who'd respond, which indicates we agree SOMEONE would. Saying, "local police would respond, not the Secret Service" rather misses my point that a prompt and serious response WOULD be made. I think it's implausible so say the Secret Service would simply notify others of a credible threat against a Congressman then leave it to them, but you seem to be disputing the details of my argument, not its import. Regardless, I didn't miss your statement that local law enforcement rather than the Secret Service would respond, I explicitly acknowledged it in full while disagreeing and you missed the acknowledgement.

YT posted a comment about posting a FB comment "Something should be done about China" and you said that if he replaced that with Congressmen the SS would show up at his door. I said that they never would. This is correct, your stance was not. There is no plausible scenario where the specific qualifier of congressmen would cause the SS to show up over a threat of that variety where that qualifier wouldn't make 'congressmen' irrelevant. It would save us both time if you would just admit you were wrong on this point. You said something that was factually incorrect, I replied with a short explanation "Probably never - the secret service does not guard congressmen" my statement is correct, not technically correct or usually correct, not 'debatable', its a simple fact and you're spinning around trying to change our points or something. Whatever the origin of your frustration, you wandered off on some tangent to make some point maybe, it does not change that your original statement is wrong and I corrected it and the last dozen messages have been me re-stating a fact while you blunder around trying to find some exception or rephrase. This began as nothing different from you saying the equivalent of "Try speeding past a FBI office, see how long before the FBI arrests you" and my replying 'probably never - they'd just call the cops' only even that's a stretch because in this scenario the crime at least actually took place under their nose. Why would the SS even be monitoring facebook for comments like "Something should be done about Rep John Johnson"?

We're not talking a Class C misdemeanor, we're talking about Murder 1; the two are handled SOMEWHAT differently. However, since YTs point was that there would be no blame assigned if Russia attacked China after a vague post calling for such an attack, and my point was that if someone posted the equivalent about a US Congressman the reaction would be swift and immediate, WHO'D respond was irrelevant. Yes, I used the Secret Service because they seemed most likely, and still do to me, but even if I'm wrong that doesn't change the fact the debate was never about the Secret Service. If you want to make it about your quibble over who'd respond and the precise facts of the two posts, you said, "Probably never - the secret service does not guard congressmen". You've stated yourself that it's a FACT US Congressman running for V/P are guarded by the Secret Service within 120 days of the election, and ANY of them can be by executive order; you've also acknowledged there's no legal bar to the Secret Service offering protection to Congressmen over and above what's authorized. So if you want to play semantic games your statement is still FACTUALLY untrue on its face, but that was never my point even if it was yours. If there's no possible way the Secret Service would respond, fine, I'm wrong (though if you want to parse it so finely you've stated that's not necessarily the case) but my argument was that YT was wrong to think public threats beneath notice, that such threats would be promptly and aggressively investigated by SOMEONE, and that's the only point I really care about "winning" if this is to be reduced to that yet again, so I won't contest the other further.
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OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 16/01/2011 12:18:22 PM 1991 Views
Why are they calling it "blood libel"? - 16/01/2011 12:23:47 PM 853 Views
Because if the facts were as they represent them those words would be applicable. - 16/01/2011 12:49:22 PM 1030 Views
It's not entirely clear to me whether you're aware of this or not, but... - 16/01/2011 01:12:22 PM 1075 Views
That's why I said, "popularized". - 16/01/2011 01:46:52 PM 1026 Views
I think Alan Dershowitz dealt with this nonsense already - 16/01/2011 02:34:10 PM 1367 Views
Interesting. I didn't realize it was so wide-spread. - 16/01/2011 03:10:28 PM 927 Views
She wasn't even the first to use the term that week either - 16/01/2011 10:10:35 PM 930 Views
I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 10:18:54 PM 957 Views
Re: I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 11:30:38 PM 855 Views
Oh please don't you start to - 17/01/2011 02:34:43 PM 810 Views
I for one hadn't noticed it before. - 17/01/2011 10:25:57 PM 980 Views
it was used here and nobody commented - 17/01/2011 10:37:07 PM 869 Views
LOL, I totally forgot that got posted here - 17/01/2011 10:54:26 PM 922 Views
It's funny you should say that... - 18/01/2011 10:32:59 PM 952 Views
Re: It's funny you should say that... - 19/01/2011 03:29:52 PM 938 Views
It was permissible to ignore until it became a rallying cry. - 20/01/2011 04:27:23 PM 962 Views
A rallying cry is hardly illegal - 20/01/2011 05:32:45 PM 1015 Views
I never said it was. - 20/01/2011 06:59:39 PM 1145 Views
Oh, I noticed that one alright. - 18/01/2011 10:25:23 PM 794 Views
compared to the way similar terms are used? - 19/01/2011 06:58:02 PM 938 Views
I meant I hadn't seen it used in different contexts before. - 19/01/2011 07:35:00 PM 920 Views
Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 10:24:09 PM 1006 Views
Re: Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 11:09:21 PM 1035 Views
Again, Giffords specifically made the connection between Palins imagery and an attack on her. - 17/01/2011 12:53:08 AM 1173 Views
That means precisely nothing - 17/01/2011 03:59:07 PM 871 Views
It means everything. - 18/01/2011 08:34:55 PM 1141 Views
I'm trying to understand your logic - 19/01/2011 12:50:28 AM 746 Views
There are two points: - 19/01/2011 02:47:48 AM 934 Views
Re: It means everything. - 19/01/2011 05:55:02 PM 772 Views
That's simply illogical. - 20/01/2011 01:08:51 AM 1150 Views
the old step one steal underwear step three profit argument - 19/01/2011 06:01:14 PM 1027 Views
that is some twisted and bizarre logic - 17/01/2011 02:38:41 PM 970 Views
So I am a little confused on something... - 16/01/2011 02:38:59 PM 1028 Views
Palin putting Giffords district in the crosshairs and Giffords implying at the time she feared this - 16/01/2011 11:21:36 PM 1164 Views
If I understand what you are saying correctly... - 17/01/2011 07:07:56 AM 900 Views
I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 08:33:47 AM 909 Views
Re: I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 04:24:01 PM 963 Views
The Secret Service does guard Congressmen, just not all of them automatically. - 18/01/2011 09:13:39 PM 798 Views
No, they don't - 18/01/2011 10:19:34 PM 985 Views
Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one. - 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM 1065 Views
You seem to be reading what you want to from what I said - 19/01/2011 01:27:32 PM 914 Views
I read what you said & understood it as you restate here, hence I referenced local police (twice) - 20/01/2011 02:15:17 AM 951 Views
The problem here is your ignoring normal policing powers to concoct an absurdity - 20/01/2011 04:20:25 PM 999 Views
More absurd than the notion such incitement warrants no notice? - 20/01/2011 05:42:47 PM 1060 Views
Your shifting your original premise, *again* - 20/01/2011 08:24:18 PM 884 Views
No, you're simply missing the point of it. - 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM 883 Views
There is no point - 21/01/2011 12:22:30 AM 929 Views
If I had no point I wouldn't bother, but fair enough. - 21/01/2011 01:20:32 AM 1179 Views
Uh...Last I checked conservatives didn't list the Communist Manifesto as a favourite book. - 16/01/2011 03:05:07 PM 1201 Views
You're awesome at missing points, aren't you? - 16/01/2011 07:26:30 PM 944 Views
where is the accountability for those committing slander? - 17/01/2011 02:52:40 PM 853 Views
Libs hate Mein Kampf and We the Living; conservatives hate the Communist Manifesto: He's neither. - 16/01/2011 10:06:02 PM 901 Views
conseartives hate Mein Kampf and liberals stil read the Communist Manifesto - 17/01/2011 02:57:22 PM 879 Views
That first line is says it all. - 18/01/2011 09:34:06 PM 961 Views
Nazis had more in common with communist then capitalist - 19/01/2011 04:10:09 PM 1069 Views
The founder of fascism called it "the merger of corporate and national power". - 20/01/2011 02:51:09 AM 952 Views
and that is supposed to mean something? - 20/01/2011 06:06:18 PM 991 Views
YOU are cherry picking. - 20/01/2011 07:50:21 PM 897 Views
It is to be expected that this site would be libtard central... - 16/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1155 Views
See my reply to Dragonsoul above. - 16/01/2011 07:30:40 PM 1005 Views
Yeah, your first was better - 16/01/2011 09:48:58 PM 815 Views
Palin didn't really have anything to do with this, but it makes sense she's blamed. - 16/01/2011 10:19:51 PM 879 Views
Pretty much. - 16/01/2011 11:44:35 PM 963 Views
Did they ever catch the person(s) that vandalized Gifford's office? *NM* - 17/01/2011 03:30:36 AM 448 Views
politcal offices are vandalized on a regular basis *NM* - 17/01/2011 02:41:29 PM 408 Views
She only asked if they caught the guy, she didn't accuse anyone, Sarah. - 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM 847 Views
OK Olberman when did I imply otherwise? *NM* - 19/01/2011 02:48:41 PM 459 Views
"Political offices are vandalized on a regular basis". - 20/01/2011 03:16:39 AM 1040 Views
Took you this long, huh? - 17/01/2011 01:53:31 PM 800 Views
I am sick of the desperate attempts of liberals to find a way to use a tragedy - 17/01/2011 02:31:18 PM 814 Views
I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:23:47 PM 791 Views
Re: I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:28:04 PM 934 Views
I always said I'd do that after Bush was re-elected. - 18/01/2011 11:52:45 PM 814 Views
like I said a matter of faith - 17/01/2011 04:27:51 PM 805 Views
I find it interesting... - 17/01/2011 05:31:54 PM 954 Views
I mention her looks solely because... - 20/01/2011 02:30:42 PM 823 Views
If slander, not mine, Giffords' (at least you don't err like Palin and say, "libel" ). - 18/01/2011 11:14:23 PM 1007 Views
mark you calendar today is the day Joel offically went around the bend into insanity - 19/01/2011 05:28:06 PM 813 Views
A mirror will show me who's to blame? On whom have I put a crosshairs? - 20/01/2011 03:23:43 AM 869 Views
so it is all a matter of faith for you - 20/01/2011 05:48:44 AM 818 Views
No, it's fairly straight forward logic. - 20/01/2011 03:25:56 PM 924 Views
sorry Joel but you haven't - 20/01/2011 03:29:49 PM 728 Views
It's there; in this thread alone people from both sides of the aisle have acknowledged that. - 20/01/2011 05:51:21 PM 822 Views
only in your does the connection exisit - 20/01/2011 06:39:35 PM 855 Views
No. - 20/01/2011 07:35:09 PM 934 Views
dude wake up - 20/01/2011 08:54:33 PM 1075 Views
So in your opinion... - 17/01/2011 05:27:58 PM 805 Views
How 'bout simply color coding them? - 18/01/2011 11:21:03 PM 853 Views
Why not just blame Giffords? - 17/01/2011 06:07:14 PM 1151 Views
Indeed, why not; Sarah Palin does. - 18/01/2011 06:58:01 PM 970 Views
The irony of this thread is not lost on me. - 19/01/2011 04:09:01 PM 991 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 19/01/2011 04:51:40 PM 497 Views
Bizarre thread for that Soapbox - 19/01/2011 05:17:58 PM 741 Views
You missed the point, obviously. - 19/01/2011 06:04:23 PM 850 Views
so you are saying it is the same old RAFO - 19/01/2011 06:47:24 PM 907 Views
The thread has admittedly degenerated - 19/01/2011 07:02:12 PM 767 Views
Check your NB. Noted you a response. *NM* - 19/01/2011 07:04:58 PM 478 Views
That I knew it would go this way is why I avoided looking closely for so long. - 19/01/2011 11:20:44 PM 998 Views
Hey, now. I have to step in. - 20/01/2011 04:44:49 PM 1020 Views
I'm just saying a significant link can be demonstrated. - 20/01/2011 07:07:27 PM 1072 Views
Re: OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 22/01/2011 05:49:44 PM 1006 Views

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