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Then that's equally dangerous and reprehensible and more reason to loathe the DLC and DCCC. Joel Send a noteboard - 20/01/2011 09:49:08 PM
I will be happy when you admit that if you admit that political rhetoric from the left was just as likely to have inspired the violence as political rhetoric on the right and all of this was just posturing to make a political point.

By the way saying you also condemn rhetoric on the left while you continue to only attack those on the right for it is a meaningless statement.

Heaven knows I do. I can't really object to using "target" because banning words with only vague or general martial as well as innocuous meanings would make it difficult to identify whom you want to defeat POLITICALLY. Even "winning" and "losing" could fall into that category and become unacceptable election terms, which would obviously be ridiculous. I don't object to using "target" and neither did Giffords; I DO share her objections to combining it with crosshairs, and that goes for bullseyes, too (the latter are used for many things not involving guns but I still consider its violent connotations too great). Dem leaders are spouting violent rhetoric right along with Republicans and both need to stop before they inspire more bloodshed. See how easy it is to say your end of the political spectrum doing it doing it doesn't let mine off the hook? Would you prefer I closed my ears and said, "lalala, all your fault, all your fault... " while ignoring the facts, or is that only OK for Republicans?

Let me be clarify something else I've said but you ignore: It's acceptable, if not necessarily laudable, to be confrontational and argumentitive; it is NOT acceptable to invoke violent hateful imagery toward that end, BECAUSE some nut might take you literally. That and the prospect of law enforcement investigating whether I'M one of those dangerously violent nuts are the reasons I try very hard not to indulge violent rhetoric even when carried away, and think I do a pretty good job, though I don't presume to claim perfection. I have a rather conservative HS teacher and Vice Principal to thank for pointing out, based on real world examples, how dangerous that can be, and the lesson stuck. I don't indulge hatred regardless; that is anathema to everything I believe and while several recent Republican leaders have tested my commitment there, I managed to oppose virtually all their policies without hating them; they're fallible human beings like me and, like me, still one of Gods creatures. It's all fun and games until 19 people get shot, but afterward if not before it's time to banish the violent hateful imagery from our rhetoric.
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OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 16/01/2011 12:18:22 PM 2071 Views
Why are they calling it "blood libel"? - 16/01/2011 12:23:47 PM 926 Views
Because if the facts were as they represent them those words would be applicable. - 16/01/2011 12:49:22 PM 1104 Views
It's not entirely clear to me whether you're aware of this or not, but... - 16/01/2011 01:12:22 PM 1151 Views
That's why I said, "popularized". - 16/01/2011 01:46:52 PM 1093 Views
I think Alan Dershowitz dealt with this nonsense already - 16/01/2011 02:34:10 PM 1458 Views
Interesting. I didn't realize it was so wide-spread. - 16/01/2011 03:10:28 PM 1002 Views
She wasn't even the first to use the term that week either - 16/01/2011 10:10:35 PM 1018 Views
I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 10:18:54 PM 1017 Views
Re: I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 11:30:38 PM 932 Views
Oh please don't you start to - 17/01/2011 02:34:43 PM 875 Views
I for one hadn't noticed it before. - 17/01/2011 10:25:57 PM 1059 Views
it was used here and nobody commented - 17/01/2011 10:37:07 PM 941 Views
LOL, I totally forgot that got posted here - 17/01/2011 10:54:26 PM 991 Views
It's funny you should say that... - 18/01/2011 10:32:59 PM 1029 Views
Re: It's funny you should say that... - 19/01/2011 03:29:52 PM 1009 Views
It was permissible to ignore until it became a rallying cry. - 20/01/2011 04:27:23 PM 1047 Views
A rallying cry is hardly illegal - 20/01/2011 05:32:45 PM 1093 Views
I never said it was. - 20/01/2011 06:59:39 PM 1190 Views
Oh, I noticed that one alright. - 18/01/2011 10:25:23 PM 868 Views
compared to the way similar terms are used? - 19/01/2011 06:58:02 PM 1012 Views
I meant I hadn't seen it used in different contexts before. - 19/01/2011 07:35:00 PM 993 Views
Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 10:24:09 PM 1077 Views
Re: Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 11:09:21 PM 1110 Views
Again, Giffords specifically made the connection between Palins imagery and an attack on her. - 17/01/2011 12:53:08 AM 1256 Views
That means precisely nothing - 17/01/2011 03:59:07 PM 945 Views
It means everything. - 18/01/2011 08:34:55 PM 1207 Views
I'm trying to understand your logic - 19/01/2011 12:50:28 AM 817 Views
There are two points: - 19/01/2011 02:47:48 AM 1019 Views
Re: It means everything. - 19/01/2011 05:55:02 PM 843 Views
That's simply illogical. - 20/01/2011 01:08:51 AM 1227 Views
the old step one steal underwear step three profit argument - 19/01/2011 06:01:14 PM 1100 Views
that is some twisted and bizarre logic - 17/01/2011 02:38:41 PM 1046 Views
So I am a little confused on something... - 16/01/2011 02:38:59 PM 1094 Views
Palin putting Giffords district in the crosshairs and Giffords implying at the time she feared this - 16/01/2011 11:21:36 PM 1230 Views
If I understand what you are saying correctly... - 17/01/2011 07:07:56 AM 974 Views
I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 08:33:47 AM 984 Views
Re: I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 04:24:01 PM 1043 Views
The Secret Service does guard Congressmen, just not all of them automatically. - 18/01/2011 09:13:39 PM 860 Views
No, they don't - 18/01/2011 10:19:34 PM 1055 Views
Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one. - 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM 1137 Views
You seem to be reading what you want to from what I said - 19/01/2011 01:27:32 PM 991 Views
I read what you said & understood it as you restate here, hence I referenced local police (twice) - 20/01/2011 02:15:17 AM 1025 Views
The problem here is your ignoring normal policing powers to concoct an absurdity - 20/01/2011 04:20:25 PM 1084 Views
More absurd than the notion such incitement warrants no notice? - 20/01/2011 05:42:47 PM 1108 Views
Your shifting your original premise, *again* - 20/01/2011 08:24:18 PM 955 Views
No, you're simply missing the point of it. - 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM 974 Views
There is no point - 21/01/2011 12:22:30 AM 1002 Views
If I had no point I wouldn't bother, but fair enough. - 21/01/2011 01:20:32 AM 1251 Views
Uh...Last I checked conservatives didn't list the Communist Manifesto as a favourite book. - 16/01/2011 03:05:07 PM 1263 Views
You're awesome at missing points, aren't you? - 16/01/2011 07:26:30 PM 1015 Views
where is the accountability for those committing slander? - 17/01/2011 02:52:40 PM 936 Views
Libs hate Mein Kampf and We the Living; conservatives hate the Communist Manifesto: He's neither. - 16/01/2011 10:06:02 PM 961 Views
conseartives hate Mein Kampf and liberals stil read the Communist Manifesto - 17/01/2011 02:57:22 PM 953 Views
That first line is says it all. - 18/01/2011 09:34:06 PM 1033 Views
Nazis had more in common with communist then capitalist - 19/01/2011 04:10:09 PM 1143 Views
The founder of fascism called it "the merger of corporate and national power". - 20/01/2011 02:51:09 AM 1026 Views
and that is supposed to mean something? - 20/01/2011 06:06:18 PM 1031 Views
YOU are cherry picking. - 20/01/2011 07:50:21 PM 966 Views
It is to be expected that this site would be libtard central... - 16/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1235 Views
See my reply to Dragonsoul above. - 16/01/2011 07:30:40 PM 1078 Views
Yeah, your first was better - 16/01/2011 09:48:58 PM 893 Views
Palin didn't really have anything to do with this, but it makes sense she's blamed. - 16/01/2011 10:19:51 PM 953 Views
Pretty much. - 16/01/2011 11:44:35 PM 1037 Views
Did they ever catch the person(s) that vandalized Gifford's office? *NM* - 17/01/2011 03:30:36 AM 476 Views
politcal offices are vandalized on a regular basis *NM* - 17/01/2011 02:41:29 PM 445 Views
She only asked if they caught the guy, she didn't accuse anyone, Sarah. - 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM 923 Views
OK Olberman when did I imply otherwise? *NM* - 19/01/2011 02:48:41 PM 485 Views
"Political offices are vandalized on a regular basis". - 20/01/2011 03:16:39 AM 1111 Views
Took you this long, huh? - 17/01/2011 01:53:31 PM 869 Views
I am sick of the desperate attempts of liberals to find a way to use a tragedy - 17/01/2011 02:31:18 PM 898 Views
I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:23:47 PM 862 Views
Re: I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:28:04 PM 1009 Views
I always said I'd do that after Bush was re-elected. - 18/01/2011 11:52:45 PM 886 Views
like I said a matter of faith - 17/01/2011 04:27:51 PM 876 Views
I find it interesting... - 17/01/2011 05:31:54 PM 1026 Views
I mention her looks solely because... - 20/01/2011 02:30:42 PM 911 Views
If slander, not mine, Giffords' (at least you don't err like Palin and say, "libel" ). - 18/01/2011 11:14:23 PM 1082 Views
mark you calendar today is the day Joel offically went around the bend into insanity - 19/01/2011 05:28:06 PM 896 Views
A mirror will show me who's to blame? On whom have I put a crosshairs? - 20/01/2011 03:23:43 AM 937 Views
so it is all a matter of faith for you - 20/01/2011 05:48:44 AM 891 Views
No, it's fairly straight forward logic. - 20/01/2011 03:25:56 PM 997 Views
sorry Joel but you haven't - 20/01/2011 03:29:49 PM 801 Views
It's there; in this thread alone people from both sides of the aisle have acknowledged that. - 20/01/2011 05:51:21 PM 884 Views
only in your does the connection exisit - 20/01/2011 06:39:35 PM 928 Views
No. - 20/01/2011 07:35:09 PM 1005 Views
dude wake up - 20/01/2011 08:54:33 PM 1142 Views
So in your opinion... - 17/01/2011 05:27:58 PM 878 Views
How 'bout simply color coding them? - 18/01/2011 11:21:03 PM 925 Views
Why not just blame Giffords? - 17/01/2011 06:07:14 PM 1222 Views
Indeed, why not; Sarah Palin does. - 18/01/2011 06:58:01 PM 1053 Views
The left are the ones storing up hate with their pathetic slaner - 18/01/2011 07:53:23 PM 998 Views
At least 95% of the blame is Loughners; he's a nut, but that doesn't exonerate the demagogues. - 18/01/2011 11:24:11 PM 1097 Views
0% belongs to political rhetoric from the right - 19/01/2011 02:47:56 PM 869 Views
Uh huh; it's absurd to mention right wing rhetoric when left wing rhetoric is the OBVIOUS culprit - 19/01/2011 02:59:41 PM 909 Views
No leftist rhetoric? You just called a bunch of people 'dangeorus lunatics' - 19/01/2011 03:37:54 PM 866 Views
Rhetoric is one thing, but I didn't use violent imagery, did I? - 20/01/2011 01:40:14 AM 1198 Views
no but the democratic party used very similar images in the same state - 20/01/2011 06:41:19 PM 938 Views
It's news to me, but I condemn all violent inflammatory imagery and rhetoric. - 20/01/2011 07:13:18 PM 901 Views
it was the national democrats - 20/01/2011 08:32:01 PM 1007 Views
Then that's equally dangerous and reprehensible and more reason to loathe the DLC and DCCC. - 20/01/2011 09:49:08 PM 1271 Views
The right is not the ones claiming rhetoric is the issue - 19/01/2011 03:58:39 PM 913 Views
The irony of this thread is not lost on me. - 19/01/2011 04:09:01 PM 1067 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 19/01/2011 04:51:40 PM 527 Views
Bizarre thread for that Soapbox - 19/01/2011 05:17:58 PM 810 Views
You missed the point, obviously. - 19/01/2011 06:04:23 PM 917 Views
so you are saying it is the same old RAFO - 19/01/2011 06:47:24 PM 989 Views
The thread has admittedly degenerated - 19/01/2011 07:02:12 PM 841 Views
Check your NB. Noted you a response. *NM* - 19/01/2011 07:04:58 PM 511 Views
That I knew it would go this way is why I avoided looking closely for so long. - 19/01/2011 11:20:44 PM 1072 Views
Hey, now. I have to step in. - 20/01/2011 04:44:49 PM 1096 Views
I'm just saying a significant link can be demonstrated. - 20/01/2011 07:07:27 PM 1141 Views
Re: OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 22/01/2011 05:49:44 PM 1081 Views

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