This may be crazy in itself, but has anyone else stopped to think that Giffords was targeted by Loughner simply because she was the closest-at-hand politician?
OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS.
- 16/01/2011 12:18:22 PM
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Why are they calling it "blood libel"?
- 16/01/2011 12:23:47 PM
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Because if the facts were as they represent them those words would be applicable.
- 16/01/2011 12:49:22 PM
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It's not entirely clear to me whether you're aware of this or not, but...
- 16/01/2011 01:12:22 PM
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I think Alan Dershowitz dealt with this nonsense already
- 16/01/2011 02:34:10 PM
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Interesting. I didn't realize it was so wide-spread.
- 16/01/2011 03:10:28 PM
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She wasn't even the first to use the term that week either
- 16/01/2011 10:10:35 PM
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I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it.
- 16/01/2011 10:18:54 PM
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Oh please don't you start to
- 17/01/2011 02:34:43 PM
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I for one hadn't noticed it before.
- 17/01/2011 10:25:57 PM
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it was used here and nobody commented
- 17/01/2011 10:37:07 PM
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LOL, I totally forgot that got posted here
- 17/01/2011 10:54:26 PM
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It's funny you should say that...
- 18/01/2011 10:32:59 PM
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Precisely: I noticed, but it hadn't become a rallying cry for "the real victim" (Palin).
- 19/01/2011 12:14:48 AM
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I thought you were the real vicitim
- 19/01/2011 02:49:06 PM
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When and where did I say that? The ultimate victim is America, but six members of it just died.
- 19/01/2011 11:24:27 PM
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Re: It's funny you should say that...
- 19/01/2011 03:29:52 PM
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It was permissible to ignore until it became a rallying cry.
- 20/01/2011 04:27:23 PM
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Oh, I noticed that one alright.
- 18/01/2011 10:25:23 PM
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but is he accussed of being a tasteless moron who doesn't know what it means?
- 19/01/2011 02:28:03 PM
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I don't know, if I have to judge him based on that one article, then tasteless moron, absolutely.
- 19/01/2011 06:14:43 PM
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The peole who called her stupid for using the term didn't know it was so wide spread either
- 17/01/2011 02:33:19 PM
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Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him.
- 16/01/2011 10:24:09 PM
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Re: Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him.
- 16/01/2011 11:09:21 PM
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Again, Giffords specifically made the connection between Palins imagery and an attack on her.
- 17/01/2011 12:53:08 AM
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That means precisely nothing
- 17/01/2011 03:59:07 PM
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It means everything.
- 18/01/2011 08:34:55 PM
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I'm trying to understand your logic
- 19/01/2011 12:50:28 AM
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There are two points:
- 19/01/2011 02:47:48 AM
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I don't agree, but I understand. *NM*
- 19/01/2011 10:14:13 PM
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Giffords' statements and Palins are matters of public record; they're indisputable.
- 19/01/2011 11:34:53 PM
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I must say, if more people on both sides could say that we'd all be better for it.
- 20/01/2011 04:32:55 AM
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the old step one steal underwear step three profit argument
- 19/01/2011 06:01:14 PM
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Your inability/unwillingness to follow basic and clearly delineated logic is not my failing.
- 20/01/2011 01:19:31 AM
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I admit I can't follow gnome logic *NM*
- 20/01/2011 05:50:22 AM
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I demonstrated the connection, whether or not you choose to look the other way.
- 20/01/2011 03:16:28 PM
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that is some twisted and bizarre logic
- 17/01/2011 02:38:41 PM
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Giffords said Palins crosshairs imagery would have "consequences"; Palin calls the suggestion libel.
- 18/01/2011 08:54:45 PM
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yes but the only consequences is liberals using them to slander Palin
- 19/01/2011 02:58:35 PM
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I read Toms reply; I don't think he exactly vindicated your position, nor meant to do so.
- 20/01/2011 01:52:37 AM
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It was an example of blaming the victim, a phrase you keep misusing
- 20/01/2011 06:28:21 PM
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I thought you said only liberals blinded by political bias committed that grave sin.
- 20/01/2011 07:47:09 PM
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so in other words you again missed the point
- 20/01/2011 08:26:49 PM
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Well, one of us did.
- 20/01/2011 09:24:35 PM
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so lets be clear do you or don't you understand what it means to "blame the vicitm"?
- 20/01/2011 10:03:48 PM
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I understand it well; can we be equally clear you say the victim here is Palin?
- 20/01/2011 10:44:08 PM
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So I am a little confused on something...
- 16/01/2011 02:38:59 PM
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Palin putting Giffords district in the crosshairs and Giffords implying at the time she feared this
- 16/01/2011 11:21:36 PM
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If I understand what you are saying correctly...
- 17/01/2011 07:07:56 AM
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I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand.
- 17/01/2011 08:33:47 AM
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Re: I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand.
- 17/01/2011 04:24:01 PM
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The Secret Service does guard Congressmen, just not all of them automatically.
- 18/01/2011 09:13:39 PM
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No, they don't
- 18/01/2011 10:19:34 PM
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Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one.
- 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM
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You seem to be reading what you want to from what I said
- 19/01/2011 01:27:32 PM
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I read what you said & understood it as you restate here, hence I referenced local police (twice)
- 20/01/2011 02:15:17 AM
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The problem here is your ignoring normal policing powers to concoct an absurdity
- 20/01/2011 04:20:25 PM
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More absurd than the notion such incitement warrants no notice?
- 20/01/2011 05:42:47 PM
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really because people post that kind of crap daily and nothing happens
- 20/01/2011 05:57:52 PM
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I thought waterboarding was OK and any suggestion to the contrary was terrorist sympathizing. 
- 20/01/2011 07:54:05 PM
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- 20/01/2011 07:54:05 PM
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way to dodge the point again
- 20/01/2011 08:34:33 PM
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Do you have an example of a credible threat of injury to a Congressman, or calls for one?
- 20/01/2011 10:02:53 PM
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Your shifting your original premise, *again*
- 20/01/2011 08:24:18 PM
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No, you're simply missing the point of it.
- 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM
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Uh...Last I checked conservatives didn't list the Communist Manifesto as a favourite book.
- 16/01/2011 03:05:07 PM
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Libs hate Mein Kampf and We the Living; conservatives hate the Communist Manifesto: He's neither.
- 16/01/2011 10:06:02 PM
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conseartives hate Mein Kampf and liberals stil read the Communist Manifesto
- 17/01/2011 02:57:22 PM
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That first line is says it all.
- 18/01/2011 09:34:06 PM
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Nazis had more in common with communist then capitalist
- 19/01/2011 04:10:09 PM
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The founder of fascism called it "the merger of corporate and national power".
- 20/01/2011 02:51:09 AM
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It is to be expected that this site would be libtard central...
- 16/01/2011 05:23:53 PM
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Again, I don't think Palin intended this, but Giffords feared ten months ago that this could result.
- 16/01/2011 11:29:19 PM
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And I call bullshit
- 18/01/2011 03:12:13 PM
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If Palin wants to accuse Giffords of libel she should have the guts to do it to her face.
- 18/01/2011 10:39:07 PM
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So if some jihadist shot Gifford, would you also blame Palin?
- 19/01/2011 02:52:42 PM
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don't get ti doesn't matter who is to blame it just matters if they can use it *NM*
- 19/01/2011 04:11:09 PM
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No, I'd blame the shooter first and the mullahs shouting, "JIHAD111" second, as I always do.
- 20/01/2011 03:11:33 AM
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Then why are you even here? I pretty much agree with you entirely and I'm fairly liberal. *NM*
- 18/01/2011 01:16:33 PM
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Palin didn't really have anything to do with this, but it makes sense she's blamed.
- 16/01/2011 10:19:51 PM
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Did they ever catch the person(s) that vandalized Gifford's office? *NM*
- 17/01/2011 03:30:36 AM
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I didn't realize someone had, but it appears a militia leader was responsible (shocking, I know).
- 17/01/2011 07:04:08 AM
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politcal offices are vandalized on a regular basis *NM*
- 17/01/2011 02:41:29 PM
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She only asked if they caught the guy, she didn't accuse anyone, Sarah. 
- 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM
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- 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM
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Took you this long, huh?
- 17/01/2011 01:53:31 PM
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I didn't want to look because I was afraid the charges against the far right demagogues might stick.
- 18/01/2011 11:07:26 PM
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I am sick of the desperate attempts of liberals to find a way to use a tragedy
- 17/01/2011 02:31:18 PM
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I'm just curious.
- 17/01/2011 03:23:47 PM
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Had that convo with the cab driver on the way home from a New Years party.
- 18/01/2011 11:42:07 PM
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If slander, not mine, Giffords' (at least you don't err like Palin and say, "libel" ).
- 18/01/2011 11:14:23 PM
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mark you calendar today is the day Joel offically went around the bend into insanity
- 19/01/2011 05:28:06 PM
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A mirror will show me who's to blame? On whom have I put a crosshairs?
- 20/01/2011 03:23:43 AM
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so it is all a matter of faith for you
- 20/01/2011 05:48:44 AM
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No, it's fairly straight forward logic.
- 20/01/2011 03:25:56 PM
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sorry Joel but you haven't
- 20/01/2011 03:29:49 PM
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It's there; in this thread alone people from both sides of the aisle have acknowledged that.
- 20/01/2011 05:51:21 PM
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only in your does the connection exisit
- 20/01/2011 06:39:35 PM
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No.
- 20/01/2011 07:35:09 PM
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dude wake up
- 20/01/2011 08:54:33 PM
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Fine, I have no problem dropping the "right" label in my condemnations.
- 20/01/2011 10:39:34 PM
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Why not just blame Giffords?
- 17/01/2011 06:07:14 PM
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Indeed, why not; Sarah Palin does.
- 18/01/2011 06:58:01 PM
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The left are the ones storing up hate with their pathetic slaner
- 18/01/2011 07:53:23 PM
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At least 95% of the blame is Loughners; he's a nut, but that doesn't exonerate the demagogues.
- 18/01/2011 11:24:11 PM
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0% belongs to political rhetoric from the right
- 19/01/2011 02:47:56 PM
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Uh huh; it's absurd to mention right wing rhetoric when left wing rhetoric is the OBVIOUS culprit 
- 19/01/2011 02:59:41 PM
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- 19/01/2011 02:59:41 PM
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No leftist rhetoric? You just called a bunch of people 'dangeorus lunatics'
- 19/01/2011 03:37:54 PM
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Rhetoric is one thing, but I didn't use violent imagery, did I?
- 20/01/2011 01:40:14 AM
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no but the democratic party used very similar images in the same state
- 20/01/2011 06:41:19 PM
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It's news to me, but I condemn all violent inflammatory imagery and rhetoric.
- 20/01/2011 07:13:18 PM
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it was the national democrats
- 20/01/2011 08:32:01 PM
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Then that's equally dangerous and reprehensible and more reason to loathe the DLC and DCCC.
- 20/01/2011 09:49:08 PM
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The right is not the ones claiming rhetoric is the issue
- 19/01/2011 03:58:39 PM
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"WE aren't doing it, except for when we are". Admission of guilt is a poor defense.
- 20/01/2011 03:25:16 AM
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The irony of this thread is not lost on me.
- 19/01/2011 04:09:01 PM
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Bizarre thread for that Soapbox
- 19/01/2011 05:17:58 PM
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You missed the point, obviously.
- 19/01/2011 06:04:23 PM
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Check your NB. Noted you a response. *NM*
That I knew it would go this way is why I avoided looking closely for so long.
- 19/01/2011 11:20:44 PM
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Re: OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS.
- 22/01/2011 05:49:44 PM
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We can debate whether it's coincidental, but the connections are documented fact
- 22/01/2011 08:17:24 PM
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