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Just because that's your opinion, doesn't mean that's applicable. Great Lord of Chaos Send a noteboard - 17/01/2011 03:07:47 AM
The idea that insane people need "help" instead of punishment to me, is ridiculous. If some crazy guy murdered me because he thought I was the Thousand Eyed Dragon of Doom, I'd still want him hanged or shot, regardless of the fact that he's not in his right mind. And if I were to snap and go on a completely insane shooting spree, I'd fully hope to be treated the same way.


If you wanted to be judged harshly, so be it. But it does not mean that it is fair to those that are. You cannot reasonably claim that a person that is insane has full awareness and clarity of their acts. If you wanted to be treated that way, so be it. Make your own country, with your own laws, from your own opinion. But under the constitution of the USA, if he is found insane, this man is protected from capital punishment and jail time because of his mental instability.
Ὦ ξεῖν', ἀγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ὅτι τῇδε
κείμεθα, τοῖς κείνων ῥήμασι πειθόμενοι.
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What motivates someone to pull out all the stops defending the Arizona shooter in court? Shannow - 13/01/2011 06:46:14 PM 1671 Views
Because even the guilty are entitled to a full and proper defence. Rebekah - 13/01/2011 06:58:51 PM 1095 Views
A belief in everyone's right to a defense? *NM* Camilla - 13/01/2011 07:02:24 PM 566 Views
Isn't it a little strange... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:08:49 PM 1197 Views
I don't know anything about the woman or the people she has defended before Camilla - 13/01/2011 07:10:56 PM 1062 Views
Timothy Mcveigh, Eric Rudolph, Theodore Kazynski, Zacharias Moussai, Susan Smith... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:16:07 PM 1230 Views
All of these strike me as people who might not get a fair hearing. Camilla - 13/01/2011 07:18:24 PM 1140 Views
Re: All of these strike me as people who might not get a fair hearing. Rebekah - 13/01/2011 07:23:15 PM 1013 Views
So once you sit down and have a heart to heart with your client an discover that he is simply evil.. Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:30:53 PM 1233 Views
My god, man, take an ethics class. Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:37:16 PM 1061 Views
So by your ethics... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:40:36 PM 1213 Views
If he can't be defended he can't be tried and thus he can't be convicted. Rebekah - 13/01/2011 07:44:57 PM 1244 Views
I suspect he disparages "technicalities" as well. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:48:14 PM 519 Views
some techincalites deserve it random thoughts - 13/01/2011 08:01:26 PM 1061 Views
True. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 08:54:25 PM 515 Views
How is justice served if the accused has no defense? *NM* Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:47:01 PM 521 Views
Who said she sought out anyone? everynametaken - 14/01/2011 01:29:38 AM 1090 Views
Maybe he IS insane ßelals Girl - 13/01/2011 07:17:46 PM 1119 Views
So what if he is? Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:11:44 AM 978 Views
No, it doesn't change what he did. Rebekah - 14/01/2011 06:22:06 PM 1081 Views
Plus ßelals Girl - 14/01/2011 08:05:36 PM 1148 Views
Capital punishment is more expensive than life in prison. Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:34:29 PM 1193 Views
So in other words out of self interest I should admire her? Now THAT's evil... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:38:36 PM 1263 Views
Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:40:42 PM 1025 Views
Re: Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:49:56 PM 1164 Views
That's a critique of Lawyers, not a critique of Rule of Law. Dan - 13/01/2011 08:37:20 PM 1166 Views
Do you know what happened before there were defence lawyers for all accused? *NM* Camilla - 13/01/2011 10:37:55 PM 561 Views
Do you believe the severity of the crime should affect your defense? random thoughts - 13/01/2011 07:45:16 PM 1051 Views
No. Shannow - 13/01/2011 08:44:05 PM 1306 Views
How do you decide if it was "in cold blood" or not? Sareitha Sedai - 13/01/2011 08:49:06 PM 1108 Views
Have you any way to back up this statement? Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:49:41 PM 1084 Views
The difference... Shannow - 13/01/2011 08:57:45 PM 1176 Views
How would you know he was the guy that stole the horse? *NM* Chas - 14/01/2011 11:32:15 PM 556 Views
re: Macharius - 13/01/2011 09:09:05 PM 1072 Views
I just get a sense that those principles are worshipped more than the cause they supposedly serve... Shannow - 13/01/2011 09:19:59 PM 1082 Views
The principles and the cause they serve are the same. Macharius - 14/01/2011 02:13:43 PM 1046 Views
Take a look at the part of the world who still use the villiage elder system random thoughts - 13/01/2011 09:36:18 PM 956 Views
That is one effed up world that I would not want to live in. *NM* Aeryn - 14/01/2011 01:42:34 AM 532 Views
random thoughts is right. Joel - 14/01/2011 02:42:38 AM 1342 Views
the belief that for the system to work everyone needs vigorous defense random thoughts - 13/01/2011 07:37:40 PM 1063 Views
You managed to cover all three of my answers; +1. Joel - 14/01/2011 12:29:21 AM 1109 Views
Yes, exactly. And in fewer words than I'd have used. *NM* newyorkersedai - 15/01/2011 02:10:03 PM 690 Views
Probably a bunch of reasons beetnemesis - 13/01/2011 07:39:58 PM 1075 Views
A belief in justice Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:24:25 PM 1194 Views
Personally, I don't see why being insane should excuse anything... Shannow - 13/01/2011 08:29:25 PM 1220 Views
It's a good thing you don't get to write the laws then Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:45:39 PM 1125 Views
Being insane doesn't excuse anything. Sareitha Sedai - 13/01/2011 08:45:40 PM 1245 Views
Fame and money Wulf`gar - 13/01/2011 09:15:38 PM 1005 Views
Many possible reasons. Tim - 13/01/2011 10:41:30 PM 1172 Views
Well said. *NM* Camilla - 13/01/2011 11:30:54 PM 592 Views
Oh, and I forgot one very important thing. Tim - 13/01/2011 11:33:33 PM 975 Views
He should have been shot in the street like a dog. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:09:38 AM 1016 Views
Vengeance is not justice. *NM* Macharius - 14/01/2011 01:13:04 AM 521 Views
If the person is guilty, it's one in the same. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:17:54 AM 979 Views
No, it's not: their definitions and concepts are entirely different. Macharius - 14/01/2011 02:27:13 PM 1096 Views
Can`t consume blood, actually. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 04:10:57 PM 1066 Views
well im so glad you find this situation to be so simple Aisha - 16/01/2011 03:45:52 AM 1037 Views
Now that was a better post. Now we can talk. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 04:54:11 AM 1186 Views
That would not be a deterrent to people who are mentally ill. *NM* everynametaken - 14/01/2011 01:25:56 AM 559 Views
By that logic nothing would. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:29:41 AM 966 Views
And by that logic, we should kill people with HIV. Dannymac - 14/01/2011 06:20:03 AM 1056 Views
Not at all. We should kill people with HIV if they're spreading it knowingly. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:31:48 PM 1267 Views
then we should kill people who spread the flu as well random thoughts - 14/01/2011 04:53:51 PM 1104 Views
That's absurd. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:21:36 PM 991 Views
it is absurd and that is my point random thoughts - 14/01/2011 08:54:07 PM 1124 Views
That's not the issue. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 09:40:00 PM 1056 Views
why are the different? random thoughts - 14/01/2011 10:02:06 PM 1045 Views
HIV is incurable. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:09:47 AM 972 Views
Unless, you know, someone is deliberately spreading flu to old people or people with Chas - 15/01/2011 12:32:42 PM 1044 Views
To my knowledge, no one has ever been convicted of that. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 03:32:49 PM 1014 Views
People have been convicted for knowingly spreading diseases Isaac - 15/01/2011 01:05:22 PM 983 Views
you are correct that is why we need to fix our mental health system *NM* random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:22:22 PM 553 Views
Not everyone else is doing that. So who else are you trying to deter? everynametaken - 14/01/2011 05:25:28 PM 1160 Views
Everyone. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:23:41 PM 1274 Views
gang members get killed every day by other gang members so I would say it isn't working *NM* random thoughts - 14/01/2011 08:31:29 PM 585 Views
If we were executing them publicly in the streets, maybe it would be. *NM* Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:33:30 PM 551 Views
why would you believe that? random thoughts - 14/01/2011 08:58:25 PM 1061 Views
It's never been tried. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 09:40:54 PM 1052 Views
So it's agreed, murderers should be given icecream. *NM* Stephen - 14/01/2011 09:43:36 PM 525 Views
did you actually read my reply where I explained that it has been tried? random thoughts - 14/01/2011 09:52:43 PM 1140 Views
Because it's not being done by the state. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:08:51 AM 1035 Views
Yes, let's bring back the justice of the lynch mob. *NM* Aeryn - 14/01/2011 01:44:00 AM 490 Views
It is justice if the person is guilty. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:32:44 PM 977 Views
So how would you determine if the person is guilty and deserved death? Perhaps... with a lawyer? *NM* Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:05:13 AM 572 Views
No, a 5 minute trial wherein the judge watches the video of this guy killing everyone... Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:05:30 AM 1120 Views
What if he was a hired killer? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:19:12 PM 986 Views
They're pretty certain he worked alone. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 08:00:42 PM 1031 Views
Also, did you see My Cousin Vinny? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:23:51 PM 1060 Views
In this case, I'll risk it. *NM* Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 08:02:10 PM 511 Views
non occides, indeed. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 02:37:29 AM 510 Views
Because he has absolutely no right to the laws dictated in the U.S. Constitution. Great Lord of Chaos - 14/01/2011 03:20:58 AM 1207 Views
The Constitution shouldn't protect these people. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:34:19 PM 988 Views
14th amendment -- equal protection clause. thanks for playing! moondog - 14/01/2011 04:22:17 PM 1080 Views
I'm not an American. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:27:52 PM 1177 Views
And believe me, that shows in more than where you were born. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 11:28:28 PM 524 Views
If that's supposed to be an insult... Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:03:10 AM 1038 Views
How do you determine if someone gets Constitutional protection or not? ßelals Girl - 14/01/2011 08:10:45 PM 1058 Views
If someone is guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt... Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:26:36 PM 1036 Views
He has a reasonable defense. Great Lord of Chaos - 14/01/2011 11:21:47 PM 1191 Views
I disagree. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:04:38 AM 1174 Views
That's preposterous. Great Lord of Chaos - 15/01/2011 10:42:04 PM 1032 Views
He's not retarded, he's insane. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 12:28:45 AM 1019 Views
Both are maladies that affect the mind and reasoning processes. Great Lord of Chaos - 16/01/2011 02:05:53 AM 1070 Views
Then insane still have to pay for what they've done. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 02:53:47 AM 1020 Views
There's a little flaw in your connection. Great Lord of Chaos - 16/01/2011 03:14:36 AM 1017 Views
Again, I disagree. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 04:47:08 AM 1584 Views
Just because that's your opinion, doesn't mean that's applicable. Great Lord of Chaos - 17/01/2011 03:07:47 AM 1117 Views
Uh...I never argued that it should. Dragonsoul - 17/01/2011 03:33:43 AM 1299 Views
I wonder what the reaction would be if Michael Vick said that. Dannymac - 14/01/2011 06:18:00 AM 992 Views
That's absurd. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:35:16 PM 884 Views
yes because threat of death works so well on the insane random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:21:42 PM 1066 Views
I`ve addressed this already. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 04:08:28 PM 988 Views
no you admitted it wouldn't deter them random thoughts - 14/01/2011 05:03:24 PM 1050 Views
Re: no you admitted it wouldn't deter them j-whitt987 - 14/01/2011 06:55:22 PM 1228 Views
no random thoughts - 14/01/2011 07:15:11 PM 1074 Views
Re: no j-whitt987 - 14/01/2011 07:35:07 PM 1078 Views
We recently put a man to death in Texas who was very likely innocent random thoughts - 14/01/2011 09:24:04 PM 933 Views
Just as an aside... I suppose you have no problem with Muslims cutting off the hand of a thief? everynametaken - 14/01/2011 05:30:50 PM 1114 Views
I invite you to show me where I've criticized the Islamic legal system. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:36:22 PM 1100 Views
OK. everynametaken - 15/01/2011 04:40:56 PM 1096 Views
I really don't care what Muslims do to each other. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 05:28:52 PM 1002 Views
Actually castrating or chemically castrating? Rebekah - 15/01/2011 05:33:07 PM 1161 Views
I don't care either way really. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 08:03:01 PM 956 Views
i believe in the laws and ideals this country is based on Aisha - 16/01/2011 03:41:13 AM 1157 Views
And you felt the need to say that why? Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 04:44:40 AM 1045 Views
I find it hilarious that a clearly guilty man will be defended. Defended against what? Dark Knight - 14/01/2011 03:22:20 AM 1179 Views
I'll tell you a couple of other things that could happen. Tim - 14/01/2011 08:26:52 AM 1011 Views
There are still trials when someone pleads guilty *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2011 06:47:56 PM 539 Views
The Thing is... vandevere - 14/01/2011 04:57:04 AM 1062 Views
What motivates someone to be the Arizona shooter? snoopcester - 14/01/2011 09:51:10 AM 1054 Views
I found something of interest... vandevere - 14/01/2011 06:16:40 PM 965 Views
Because the thought of people with a lynch mob mentality running the show scares them way more than Tashmere - 15/01/2011 03:56:44 AM 1035 Views
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