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Sigh... we know no such thing, and even if we did, it would be those biased liberals telling us. Joel Send a noteboard - 13/01/2011 11:30:33 PM
Sorry but the most likely reason why our schools have become liberal bastions (because they used to be much more balanced) is liberal have little tolerance for non-liberal view points. In fact they have been spending most of the last week trying to use an unrelated tragedy as an excuse to silence those who disagree with them. We no the concern about tone is a lie or they would have spent less time doing slandering anyone on the right they could sling mud at.

I will ask you again and I ignore your response if you ignore the question again. Would you trust them if the ratios were reversed? While are at would you trust the media if it was a heavily weighted towards conservatives as it is towards liberals?

I answered the question, and it's not my fault if you missed that along with everything else I said:

As long as the people in any field are chosen by merit demonstrated by their credentials, yes, I trust their statements about their field, regardless of whether they're mostly conservative, liberal or Martian.

Is that clear enough for you, or are you going to yet again insist that I didn't answer a question despite my explicitly doing just that?

As far as intolerant suppression of opposing view points, it isn't liberals who need at least one paranoid draconian red scare every generation. It wasn't liberals who, a early as 1798, made it a federal crime to criticize any government official, expelled US Senators from Congress for the crime of not being Republican in the 1860s, made it illegal to be a communist in the '50s of held protesters in "free speech areas" well away from media and the events protested under Bush. Actually, the closest liberals have come to anything like that since the Reign or Terror (when liberal extremism did run violently amok) is Europes widespread laws against Nazis and racism, but since the American right has suddenly decided in the last decade or so and in defiance of nearly a century of history that Hitler was a liberal, I suppose that shouldn't count.

Now, if we can return from the little xenophobic tangent, the fact remains that either disproportionate amounts of success by one group in one area indicates bias (in which case men outperform women in math no more than liberals outperform conservatives in academia) or it indicates that one group genuinely excels the other in that area (in which case academias claims that math evaluations are biased against women is accurate and there are more liberal academics because knowledge really does encourage liberalism).

If numbers prove bias rather than ability, that's all they do for men vs. women in math; if they don't, then it doesn't matter how many of the academics claiming bias in fe/male math evaluations are coincidentally liberals. Either way, the evaluations are probably biased to some degree.
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Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears - 11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM 2057 Views
I think you're extrapolating a bit too much - 11/01/2011 06:45:38 PM 1139 Views
I don't trust the figures. - 11/01/2011 06:50:24 PM 1143 Views
While I don't 100% agree with the article, some feminists annoy me no end. - 11/01/2011 06:47:03 PM 1158 Views
My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career - 11/01/2011 06:52:11 PM 1148 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career - 12/01/2011 01:36:14 AM 1145 Views
Yeah, got one like that, too. - 12/01/2011 02:17:17 AM 1134 Views
yeah prett much anything gross that isn't in a diaper is my job - 12/01/2011 05:12:11 AM 1078 Views
It's not just that choice though. - 11/01/2011 07:12:48 PM 1196 Views
It feels more hypocritical coming from feminists than "traditionalists". *NM* - 11/01/2011 07:17:24 PM 619 Views
For you maybe. - 11/01/2011 07:27:52 PM 1135 Views
there is definitely some SAHM snobbery - 11/01/2011 08:43:21 PM 1098 Views
Well. - 11/01/2011 09:34:42 PM 1170 Views
I agree. I would also like to add, if I may... - 12/01/2011 01:27:59 AM 1137 Views
all 25 of them? - 12/01/2011 05:14:56 AM 1080 Views
Pffft, look it up a bit. You might find info on the national propaganda radio (NPR) site. - 12/01/2011 12:47:33 PM 1104 Views
It's a difficult dynamic even under the best of circumstances, when both partners have chosen it. - 12/01/2011 02:25:20 PM 985 Views
I agree, it's very difficult. - 12/01/2011 03:14:59 PM 1031 Views
it is nuanced - 12/01/2011 03:06:39 PM 1054 Views
Re: it is nuanced - 12/01/2011 04:58:36 PM 1077 Views
You are spot on. As usual. About everything. *NM* - 12/01/2011 01:42:18 AM 658 Views
- 12/01/2011 02:25:59 PM 1047 Views
I have to admit that this bothers me. - 11/01/2011 07:33:09 PM 1147 Views
I don't expect people to understand my choice necessarily. - 11/01/2011 09:36:52 PM 1161 Views
In addition... - 12/01/2011 05:39:25 PM 1043 Views
I guess you think the same of me then. - 11/01/2011 09:48:31 PM 1028 Views
Another one? - 12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM 1056 Views
Re: Another one? - 12/01/2011 12:33:58 PM 1090 Views
~never mind~ *NM* *NM* - 12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM 713 Views
I'm going to answer you anyway. - 12/01/2011 04:54:18 PM 1156 Views
not to mention - 12/01/2011 05:11:42 PM 1094 Views
In addition - 12/01/2011 05:23:25 PM 1032 Views
you don't want kids? - 12/01/2011 05:46:25 PM 1046 Views
bleck - 12/01/2011 11:14:25 PM 1044 Views
again not the vibe I get from you - 12/01/2011 11:38:26 PM 1031 Views
Hehe. - 13/01/2011 12:15:06 AM 1081 Views
Not selfish. - 13/01/2011 02:45:43 AM 1045 Views
You don't have to be a doctor to contribute to the world - 12/01/2011 05:27:26 PM 1105 Views
Poor Aeryn - 12/01/2011 05:29:47 PM 1031 Views
I replied before she edited - 12/01/2011 05:41:53 PM 984 Views
Am I at least absolved from having to respond? - 15/01/2011 06:11:27 AM 1071 Views
Certainly. *NM* - 15/01/2011 09:40:09 AM 657 Views
The primary issue... - 12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM 1008 Views
*NM* - 12/01/2011 05:54:29 PM 588 Views
What Rebekah said... - 15/01/2011 07:55:34 PM 1018 Views
Me too! - 11/01/2011 09:43:57 PM 1105 Views
Re: Me too! - 12/01/2011 01:23:39 AM 1098 Views
I have a fiancee like that. - 12/01/2011 02:14:53 AM 1048 Views
I feel so fortunate to be a stay at home mom. - 12/01/2011 11:32:37 PM 1010 Views
My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect - 11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM 1146 Views
I think all of that makes sense - 11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM 1072 Views
In this particular case I don't disagree with you. - 11/01/2011 09:28:13 PM 993 Views
I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math. - 12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM 982 Views
men have more physical strength period - 12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM 1003 Views
There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength. - 12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM 989 Views
how much time the experts spend being wrong doesn't make them less wrong - 12/01/2011 03:16:10 PM 997 Views
How much more time they've spent studying it before drawing conclusions makes a big difference. - 12/01/2011 05:42:26 PM 998 Views
your right it is just a coincidence that their results always matches their politics - 12/01/2011 05:56:03 PM 1048 Views
There's definitely such a thing as a self fulfilling prophecy. - 12/01/2011 07:00:23 PM 1008 Views
so you would trust them if they only admitted conseratives? - 12/01/2011 09:51:00 PM 1032 Views
Admitted? No, but they'll take anyone with the grades. - 13/01/2011 09:47:42 PM 1018 Views
Every study I have seen shows most schools have few to no non-leberal proffesors - 13/01/2011 10:07:08 PM 960 Views
Every study I've ever seen shows that math and science fields have few to no women. - 13/01/2011 10:42:46 PM 1077 Views
not when we know men are better at math thewpmen are - 13/01/2011 11:10:18 PM 1104 Views
Sigh... we know no such thing, and even if we did, it would be those biased liberals telling us. - 13/01/2011 11:30:33 PM 918 Views
When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM 1051 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 04:32:38 PM 966 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 04:41:42 PM 1042 Views
Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former. - 12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM 939 Views
I'm trying to understand your position - 12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM 997 Views
try string theory, it makes more sense than Joel logic - 12/01/2011 05:57:27 PM 957 Views
Now you've got it. - 12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM 1100 Views
Okay, that's fair. *NM* - 12/01/2011 06:42:30 PM 569 Views
Glad we were able to reach an understanding. - 13/01/2011 10:02:47 PM 991 Views
Re: I'm trying to understand your position - 13/01/2011 08:12:05 PM 1030 Views
we know the brain of women works differently then the brains of men - 12/01/2011 05:40:15 PM 1039 Views
What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive. - 12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM 919 Views
here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology - 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM 1036 Views
I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link. - 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM 1036 Views
oops - 13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM 1078 Views
Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way. - 13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM 957 Views
You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough - 14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM 1185 Views
I used YOUR article to "prove" what it says outright. - 15/01/2011 05:35:27 PM 1145 Views
I would also like to say this: - 11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM 1020 Views
Of course - 12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM 1054 Views
Re: Of course - 12/01/2011 04:57:11 PM 1045 Views
"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. - 12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM 1070 Views
Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. - 12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM 1046 Views
It's true for Arabic and hence, one suspects, Hebrew. - 13/01/2011 07:43:21 PM 974 Views
I'm glad YOU think it's fun... - 13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM 1020 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: - 12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM 1030 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: - 12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM 1051 Views
No - 12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM 960 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM 926 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM 1027 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM 1021 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM 1050 Views
Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM 1057 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 12:56:20 PM 1052 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 04:55:50 PM 994 Views
The two are used as different psychological concepts. - 12/01/2011 02:24:58 PM 1013 Views
Again, used incorrectly. - 12/01/2011 03:34:22 PM 993 Views
Re: Again, used incorrectly. - 12/01/2011 04:00:59 PM 1066 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 12/01/2011 04:53:03 PM 583 Views
It really doesn't surprise me - 12/01/2011 12:36:19 AM 1026 Views
Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office? - 12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM 1054 Views
Actually, the feminist movement was completely successful. - 12/01/2011 01:42:44 AM 1061 Views
Well put. *NM* - 12/01/2011 02:10:56 AM 572 Views
I was playing a bit but I agree that the feminist in the past accomplished a lot - 12/01/2011 05:34:04 AM 1070 Views
NOW is just a left-leaning PAC. - 12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM 1019 Views
Now if only others were so rational about it. - 17/01/2011 05:55:57 AM 2036 Views
Nevermind, Tom beat me to it. - 12/01/2011 01:54:07 AM 993 Views
Mmm. I don't think you understand the feminist movement. You have been reading to many things - 12/01/2011 01:56:20 AM 1058 Views
I was refering to groups like NOW - 12/01/2011 05:40:46 AM 994 Views
Gotcha. - 12/01/2011 11:53:29 PM 996 Views
I was being a tad bit trollish with my title - 13/01/2011 01:47:30 AM 956 Views
I'm not sure that follows, at all. - 12/01/2011 02:06:41 AM 962 Views
they never mention their study methods - 12/01/2011 02:14:15 PM 1054 Views
Gosh, look what you started. - 12/01/2011 03:00:23 PM 1048 Views
somebody need to start something it is pretty dead around here *NM* - 12/01/2011 03:16:54 PM 595 Views
Seriously *NM* - 12/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 565 Views
I agree that it would be awesome to hang with my kid every day and not have to work. - 12/01/2011 11:33:25 PM 1054 Views
that part would be great - 12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM 1012 Views
I could do it every day. - 13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM 937 Views
Me too... - 13/01/2011 02:45:49 PM 1066 Views
So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out? - 15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM 1046 Views
They do. - 15/01/2011 09:42:29 AM 992 Views
read further up the thread - 15/01/2011 10:49:08 AM 1067 Views
I really wish that were more socially acceptable. - 15/01/2011 07:58:57 PM 1079 Views
I feel I have that choice. - 16/01/2011 12:08:48 AM 1006 Views
They most certainly do. - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM 1112 Views
This sounds awful to me. - 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM 1022 Views
Re: This sounds awful to me. - 14/01/2011 02:47:36 AM 1042 Views
Yikes. - 14/01/2011 11:13:39 PM 1021 Views

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