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re: Macharius Send a noteboard - 13/01/2011 09:09:05 PM
All people are entitled to a fair trial. This is the basis for the rule of law in modern society, and transcends all individuals and their acts - however reprehensible. That this lawyer chooses to represent him in court shows a greater belief in those principles than most people are able to muster... particularly yourself.
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What motivates someone to pull out all the stops defending the Arizona shooter in court? Shannow - 13/01/2011 06:46:14 PM 1592 Views
Because even the guilty are entitled to a full and proper defence. Rebekah - 13/01/2011 06:58:51 PM 1027 Views
A belief in everyone's right to a defense? *NM* Camilla - 13/01/2011 07:02:24 PM 534 Views
Isn't it a little strange... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:08:49 PM 1124 Views
I don't know anything about the woman or the people she has defended before Camilla - 13/01/2011 07:10:56 PM 979 Views
Timothy Mcveigh, Eric Rudolph, Theodore Kazynski, Zacharias Moussai, Susan Smith... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:16:07 PM 1151 Views
All of these strike me as people who might not get a fair hearing. Camilla - 13/01/2011 07:18:24 PM 1063 Views
Re: All of these strike me as people who might not get a fair hearing. Rebekah - 13/01/2011 07:23:15 PM 942 Views
So once you sit down and have a heart to heart with your client an discover that he is simply evil.. Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:30:53 PM 1164 Views
My god, man, take an ethics class. Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:37:16 PM 986 Views
So by your ethics... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:40:36 PM 1145 Views
If he can't be defended he can't be tried and thus he can't be convicted. Rebekah - 13/01/2011 07:44:57 PM 1165 Views
I suspect he disparages "technicalities" as well. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:48:14 PM 488 Views
some techincalites deserve it random thoughts - 13/01/2011 08:01:26 PM 999 Views
True. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 08:54:25 PM 486 Views
How is justice served if the accused has no defense? *NM* Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:47:01 PM 496 Views
Who said she sought out anyone? everynametaken - 14/01/2011 01:29:38 AM 1017 Views
Maybe he IS insane ßelals Girl - 13/01/2011 07:17:46 PM 1047 Views
So what if he is? Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:11:44 AM 934 Views
No, it doesn't change what he did. Rebekah - 14/01/2011 06:22:06 PM 1000 Views
Plus ßelals Girl - 14/01/2011 08:05:36 PM 1076 Views
Capital punishment is more expensive than life in prison. Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:34:29 PM 1122 Views
So in other words out of self interest I should admire her? Now THAT's evil... Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:38:36 PM 1188 Views
Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 07:40:42 PM 956 Views
Re: Shannow - 13/01/2011 07:49:56 PM 1085 Views
That's a critique of Lawyers, not a critique of Rule of Law. Dan - 13/01/2011 08:37:20 PM 1095 Views
Do you know what happened before there were defence lawyers for all accused? *NM* Camilla - 13/01/2011 10:37:55 PM 525 Views
Do you believe the severity of the crime should affect your defense? random thoughts - 13/01/2011 07:45:16 PM 1007 Views
No. Shannow - 13/01/2011 08:44:05 PM 1234 Views
How do you decide if it was "in cold blood" or not? Sareitha Sedai - 13/01/2011 08:49:06 PM 1036 Views
Have you any way to back up this statement? Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:49:41 PM 1009 Views
The difference... Shannow - 13/01/2011 08:57:45 PM 1105 Views
How would you know he was the guy that stole the horse? *NM* Chas - 14/01/2011 11:32:15 PM 525 Views
re: Macharius - 13/01/2011 09:09:05 PM 985 Views
I just get a sense that those principles are worshipped more than the cause they supposedly serve... Shannow - 13/01/2011 09:19:59 PM 1008 Views
The principles and the cause they serve are the same. Macharius - 14/01/2011 02:13:43 PM 968 Views
Take a look at the part of the world who still use the villiage elder system random thoughts - 13/01/2011 09:36:18 PM 914 Views
That is one effed up world that I would not want to live in. *NM* Aeryn - 14/01/2011 01:42:34 AM 505 Views
random thoughts is right. Joel - 14/01/2011 02:42:38 AM 1253 Views
the belief that for the system to work everyone needs vigorous defense random thoughts - 13/01/2011 07:37:40 PM 987 Views
You managed to cover all three of my answers; +1. Joel - 14/01/2011 12:29:21 AM 1032 Views
Yes, exactly. And in fewer words than I'd have used. *NM* newyorkersedai - 15/01/2011 02:10:03 PM 660 Views
Probably a bunch of reasons beetnemesis - 13/01/2011 07:39:58 PM 998 Views
A belief in justice Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:24:25 PM 1124 Views
Personally, I don't see why being insane should excuse anything... Shannow - 13/01/2011 08:29:25 PM 1138 Views
It's a good thing you don't get to write the laws then Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:45:39 PM 1054 Views
Being insane doesn't excuse anything. Sareitha Sedai - 13/01/2011 08:45:40 PM 1167 Views
Fame and money Wulf`gar - 13/01/2011 09:15:38 PM 936 Views
Many possible reasons. Tim - 13/01/2011 10:41:30 PM 1094 Views
Well said. *NM* Camilla - 13/01/2011 11:30:54 PM 562 Views
Oh, and I forgot one very important thing. Tim - 13/01/2011 11:33:33 PM 931 Views
He should have been shot in the street like a dog. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:09:38 AM 937 Views
Vengeance is not justice. *NM* Macharius - 14/01/2011 01:13:04 AM 493 Views
If the person is guilty, it's one in the same. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:17:54 AM 900 Views
No, it's not: their definitions and concepts are entirely different. Macharius - 14/01/2011 02:27:13 PM 1026 Views
Can`t consume blood, actually. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 04:10:57 PM 994 Views
well im so glad you find this situation to be so simple Aisha - 16/01/2011 03:45:52 AM 964 Views
Now that was a better post. Now we can talk. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 04:54:11 AM 1111 Views
That would not be a deterrent to people who are mentally ill. *NM* everynametaken - 14/01/2011 01:25:56 AM 531 Views
By that logic nothing would. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:29:41 AM 896 Views
And by that logic, we should kill people with HIV. Dannymac - 14/01/2011 06:20:03 AM 982 Views
Not at all. We should kill people with HIV if they're spreading it knowingly. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:31:48 PM 1179 Views
then we should kill people who spread the flu as well random thoughts - 14/01/2011 04:53:51 PM 1028 Views
That's absurd. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:21:36 PM 920 Views
it is absurd and that is my point random thoughts - 14/01/2011 08:54:07 PM 1047 Views
That's not the issue. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 09:40:00 PM 980 Views
why are the different? random thoughts - 14/01/2011 10:02:06 PM 972 Views
HIV is incurable. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:09:47 AM 905 Views
Unless, you know, someone is deliberately spreading flu to old people or people with Chas - 15/01/2011 12:32:42 PM 956 Views
To my knowledge, no one has ever been convicted of that. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 03:32:49 PM 937 Views
People have been convicted for knowingly spreading diseases Isaac - 15/01/2011 01:05:22 PM 900 Views
you are correct that is why we need to fix our mental health system *NM* random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:22:22 PM 522 Views
Not everyone else is doing that. So who else are you trying to deter? everynametaken - 14/01/2011 05:25:28 PM 1081 Views
Everyone. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:23:41 PM 1195 Views
gang members get killed every day by other gang members so I would say it isn't working *NM* random thoughts - 14/01/2011 08:31:29 PM 547 Views
If we were executing them publicly in the streets, maybe it would be. *NM* Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:33:30 PM 513 Views
why would you believe that? random thoughts - 14/01/2011 08:58:25 PM 985 Views
It's never been tried. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 09:40:54 PM 973 Views
So it's agreed, murderers should be given icecream. *NM* Stephen - 14/01/2011 09:43:36 PM 497 Views
did you actually read my reply where I explained that it has been tried? random thoughts - 14/01/2011 09:52:43 PM 1058 Views
Because it's not being done by the state. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:08:51 AM 950 Views
Yes, let's bring back the justice of the lynch mob. *NM* Aeryn - 14/01/2011 01:44:00 AM 465 Views
It is justice if the person is guilty. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:32:44 PM 875 Views
So how would you determine if the person is guilty and deserved death? Perhaps... with a lawyer? *NM* Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:05:13 AM 540 Views
No, a 5 minute trial wherein the judge watches the video of this guy killing everyone... Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:05:30 AM 1050 Views
What if he was a hired killer? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:19:12 PM 907 Views
They're pretty certain he worked alone. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 08:00:42 PM 954 Views
Also, did you see My Cousin Vinny? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:23:51 PM 992 Views
In this case, I'll risk it. *NM* Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 08:02:10 PM 490 Views
non occides, indeed. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 02:37:29 AM 480 Views
Because he has absolutely no right to the laws dictated in the U.S. Constitution. Great Lord of Chaos - 14/01/2011 03:20:58 AM 1122 Views
The Constitution shouldn't protect these people. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:34:19 PM 915 Views
14th amendment -- equal protection clause. thanks for playing! moondog - 14/01/2011 04:22:17 PM 1004 Views
I'm not an American. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:27:52 PM 1091 Views
And believe me, that shows in more than where you were born. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 11:28:28 PM 493 Views
If that's supposed to be an insult... Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:03:10 AM 963 Views
How do you determine if someone gets Constitutional protection or not? ßelals Girl - 14/01/2011 08:10:45 PM 974 Views
If someone is guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt... Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:26:36 PM 969 Views
He has a reasonable defense. Great Lord of Chaos - 14/01/2011 11:21:47 PM 1093 Views
I disagree. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 07:04:38 AM 1106 Views
That's preposterous. Great Lord of Chaos - 15/01/2011 10:42:04 PM 952 Views
He's not retarded, he's insane. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 12:28:45 AM 943 Views
Both are maladies that affect the mind and reasoning processes. Great Lord of Chaos - 16/01/2011 02:05:53 AM 990 Views
Then insane still have to pay for what they've done. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 02:53:47 AM 943 Views
There's a little flaw in your connection. Great Lord of Chaos - 16/01/2011 03:14:36 AM 946 Views
Again, I disagree. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 04:47:08 AM 1509 Views
Just because that's your opinion, doesn't mean that's applicable. Great Lord of Chaos - 17/01/2011 03:07:47 AM 1037 Views
Uh...I never argued that it should. Dragonsoul - 17/01/2011 03:33:43 AM 1223 Views
I wonder what the reaction would be if Michael Vick said that. Dannymac - 14/01/2011 06:18:00 AM 912 Views
That's absurd. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 01:35:16 PM 803 Views
yes because threat of death works so well on the insane random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:21:42 PM 985 Views
I`ve addressed this already. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 04:08:28 PM 907 Views
no you admitted it wouldn't deter them random thoughts - 14/01/2011 05:03:24 PM 980 Views
Re: no you admitted it wouldn't deter them j-whitt987 - 14/01/2011 06:55:22 PM 1145 Views
no random thoughts - 14/01/2011 07:15:11 PM 1000 Views
Re: no j-whitt987 - 14/01/2011 07:35:07 PM 1006 Views
We recently put a man to death in Texas who was very likely innocent random thoughts - 14/01/2011 09:24:04 PM 852 Views
Just as an aside... I suppose you have no problem with Muslims cutting off the hand of a thief? everynametaken - 14/01/2011 05:30:50 PM 1023 Views
I invite you to show me where I've criticized the Islamic legal system. Dragonsoul - 14/01/2011 08:36:22 PM 1027 Views
OK. everynametaken - 15/01/2011 04:40:56 PM 1027 Views
I really don't care what Muslims do to each other. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 05:28:52 PM 925 Views
Actually castrating or chemically castrating? Rebekah - 15/01/2011 05:33:07 PM 1116 Views
I don't care either way really. Dragonsoul - 15/01/2011 08:03:01 PM 886 Views
i believe in the laws and ideals this country is based on Aisha - 16/01/2011 03:41:13 AM 1087 Views
And you felt the need to say that why? Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 04:44:40 AM 973 Views
I find it hilarious that a clearly guilty man will be defended. Defended against what? Dark Knight - 14/01/2011 03:22:20 AM 1042 Views
I'll tell you a couple of other things that could happen. Tim - 14/01/2011 08:26:52 AM 940 Views
There are still trials when someone pleads guilty *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2011 06:47:56 PM 510 Views
The Thing is... vandevere - 14/01/2011 04:57:04 AM 990 Views
What motivates someone to be the Arizona shooter? snoopcester - 14/01/2011 09:51:10 AM 979 Views
I found something of interest... vandevere - 14/01/2011 06:16:40 PM 884 Views
Because the thought of people with a lynch mob mentality running the show scares them way more than Tashmere - 15/01/2011 03:56:44 AM 957 Views
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