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The primary issue... Jacob Send a noteboard - 12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM
If anyone ever thinks that the right career or the best kids will somehow make everything right in their lives and worlds, they will only be disappointed.

Everyone needs to find many things that they are passionate about, excite them, challenge them for the good, that they can aim for and achieve.

All this talk that a person can only have a positive mark on the world through their career is limited, and more than a little naive. Some can and do make a mark through their jobs, touch other people's lives. Most of us don't, not through the efforts and outcomes of our actual work.

I like my job. I'm good at my job. My job is important to where I work. I can affect a lot of people. But the bottom line is, my job is about keeping computers and applications on line at a university... that the work of the university continues on. That's great. If it wasn't me doing it, someone else would be.

My volunteer work teaching young children, my working as a mentor to other adults are things that excite me, where I feel I have the most impact. Sometimes its in our roles in others' lives where we'll have our most important impact on the world... be that as a parent, a friend, a mentor, a teacher, etc.
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Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears - 11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM 2146 Views
I think you're extrapolating a bit too much - 11/01/2011 06:45:38 PM 1225 Views
I don't trust the figures. - 11/01/2011 06:50:24 PM 1246 Views
While I don't 100% agree with the article, some feminists annoy me no end. - 11/01/2011 06:47:03 PM 1255 Views
My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career - 11/01/2011 06:52:11 PM 1238 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career - 12/01/2011 01:36:14 AM 1238 Views
Yeah, got one like that, too. - 12/01/2011 02:17:17 AM 1241 Views
yeah prett much anything gross that isn't in a diaper is my job - 12/01/2011 05:12:11 AM 1173 Views
It's not just that choice though. - 11/01/2011 07:12:48 PM 1303 Views
It feels more hypocritical coming from feminists than "traditionalists". *NM* - 11/01/2011 07:17:24 PM 656 Views
For you maybe. - 11/01/2011 07:27:52 PM 1230 Views
there is definitely some SAHM snobbery - 11/01/2011 08:43:21 PM 1196 Views
Well. - 11/01/2011 09:34:42 PM 1258 Views
I agree. I would also like to add, if I may... - 12/01/2011 01:27:59 AM 1222 Views
all 25 of them? - 12/01/2011 05:14:56 AM 1187 Views
Pffft, look it up a bit. You might find info on the national propaganda radio (NPR) site. - 12/01/2011 12:47:33 PM 1229 Views
It's a difficult dynamic even under the best of circumstances, when both partners have chosen it. - 12/01/2011 02:25:20 PM 1091 Views
I agree, it's very difficult. - 12/01/2011 03:14:59 PM 1111 Views
it is nuanced - 12/01/2011 03:06:39 PM 1162 Views
Re: it is nuanced - 12/01/2011 04:58:36 PM 1169 Views
You are spot on. As usual. About everything. *NM* - 12/01/2011 01:42:18 AM 694 Views
- 12/01/2011 02:25:59 PM 1140 Views
I have to admit that this bothers me. - 11/01/2011 07:33:09 PM 1249 Views
I don't expect people to understand my choice necessarily. - 11/01/2011 09:36:52 PM 1258 Views
In addition... - 12/01/2011 05:39:25 PM 1130 Views
I guess you think the same of me then. - 11/01/2011 09:48:31 PM 1122 Views
Another one? - 12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM 1157 Views
Re: Another one? - 12/01/2011 12:33:58 PM 1185 Views
~never mind~ *NM* *NM* - 12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM 756 Views
I'm going to answer you anyway. - 12/01/2011 04:54:18 PM 1243 Views
not to mention - 12/01/2011 05:11:42 PM 1184 Views
In addition - 12/01/2011 05:23:25 PM 1138 Views
you don't want kids? - 12/01/2011 05:46:25 PM 1111 Views
bleck - 12/01/2011 11:14:25 PM 1138 Views
again not the vibe I get from you - 12/01/2011 11:38:26 PM 1114 Views
Hehe. - 13/01/2011 12:15:06 AM 1168 Views
Not selfish. - 13/01/2011 02:45:43 AM 1152 Views
You don't have to be a doctor to contribute to the world - 12/01/2011 05:27:26 PM 1198 Views
Poor Aeryn - 12/01/2011 05:29:47 PM 1126 Views
I replied before she edited - 12/01/2011 05:41:53 PM 1076 Views
Am I at least absolved from having to respond? - 15/01/2011 06:11:27 AM 1172 Views
Certainly. *NM* - 15/01/2011 09:40:09 AM 692 Views
The primary issue... - 12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM 1105 Views
*NM* - 12/01/2011 05:54:29 PM 618 Views
What Rebekah said... - 15/01/2011 07:55:34 PM 1107 Views
Me too! - 11/01/2011 09:43:57 PM 1194 Views
Re: Me too! - 12/01/2011 01:23:39 AM 1197 Views
I have a fiancee like that. - 12/01/2011 02:14:53 AM 1114 Views
I feel so fortunate to be a stay at home mom. - 12/01/2011 11:32:37 PM 1098 Views
My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect - 11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM 1260 Views
I think all of that makes sense - 11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM 1171 Views
In this particular case I don't disagree with you. - 11/01/2011 09:28:13 PM 1090 Views
I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math. - 12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM 1081 Views
men have more physical strength period - 12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM 1099 Views
There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength. - 12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM 1094 Views
When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM 1155 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 04:32:38 PM 1053 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 04:41:42 PM 1132 Views
Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former. - 12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM 1028 Views
I'm trying to understand your position - 12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM 1102 Views
try string theory, it makes more sense than Joel logic - 12/01/2011 05:57:27 PM 1035 Views
Now you've got it. - 12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM 1190 Views
Okay, that's fair. *NM* - 12/01/2011 06:42:30 PM 605 Views
Glad we were able to reach an understanding. - 13/01/2011 10:02:47 PM 1085 Views
Re: I'm trying to understand your position - 13/01/2011 08:12:05 PM 1132 Views
we know the brain of women works differently then the brains of men - 12/01/2011 05:40:15 PM 1141 Views
What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive. - 12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM 999 Views
here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology - 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM 1147 Views
I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link. - 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM 1133 Views
oops - 13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM 1159 Views
Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way. - 13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM 1052 Views
You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough - 14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM 1278 Views
I used YOUR article to "prove" what it says outright. - 15/01/2011 05:35:27 PM 1242 Views
I would also like to say this: - 11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM 1109 Views
Of course - 12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM 1147 Views
Re: Of course - 12/01/2011 04:57:11 PM 1142 Views
"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. - 12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM 1161 Views
Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. - 12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM 1154 Views
It's true for Arabic and hence, one suspects, Hebrew. - 13/01/2011 07:43:21 PM 1071 Views
I'm glad YOU think it's fun... - 13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM 1129 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: - 12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM 1141 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: - 12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM 1136 Views
No - 12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM 1047 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM 1011 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM 1129 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM 1121 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM 1157 Views
Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM 1157 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 12:56:20 PM 1149 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 04:55:50 PM 1064 Views
The two are used as different psychological concepts. - 12/01/2011 02:24:58 PM 1104 Views
Again, used incorrectly. - 12/01/2011 03:34:22 PM 1085 Views
Re: Again, used incorrectly. - 12/01/2011 04:00:59 PM 1163 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 12/01/2011 04:53:03 PM 615 Views
It really doesn't surprise me - 12/01/2011 12:36:19 AM 1124 Views
Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office? - 12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM 1156 Views
Actually, the feminist movement was completely successful. - 12/01/2011 01:42:44 AM 1158 Views
Well put. *NM* - 12/01/2011 02:10:56 AM 608 Views
I was playing a bit but I agree that the feminist in the past accomplished a lot - 12/01/2011 05:34:04 AM 1152 Views
NOW is just a left-leaning PAC. - 12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM 1111 Views
Now if only others were so rational about it. - 17/01/2011 05:55:57 AM 2138 Views
Nevermind, Tom beat me to it. - 12/01/2011 01:54:07 AM 1088 Views
Mmm. I don't think you understand the feminist movement. You have been reading to many things - 12/01/2011 01:56:20 AM 1148 Views
I was refering to groups like NOW - 12/01/2011 05:40:46 AM 1087 Views
Gotcha. - 12/01/2011 11:53:29 PM 1083 Views
I was being a tad bit trollish with my title - 13/01/2011 01:47:30 AM 1054 Views
I'm not sure that follows, at all. - 12/01/2011 02:06:41 AM 1057 Views
they never mention their study methods - 12/01/2011 02:14:15 PM 1135 Views
Gosh, look what you started. - 12/01/2011 03:00:23 PM 1136 Views
somebody need to start something it is pretty dead around here *NM* - 12/01/2011 03:16:54 PM 632 Views
Seriously *NM* - 12/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 602 Views
I agree that it would be awesome to hang with my kid every day and not have to work. - 12/01/2011 11:33:25 PM 1152 Views
that part would be great - 12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM 1127 Views
I could do it every day. - 13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM 1041 Views
Me too... - 13/01/2011 02:45:49 PM 1175 Views
So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out? - 15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM 1144 Views
They do. - 15/01/2011 09:42:29 AM 1083 Views
read further up the thread - 15/01/2011 10:49:08 AM 1166 Views
I really wish that were more socially acceptable. - 15/01/2011 07:58:57 PM 1178 Views
I feel I have that choice. - 16/01/2011 12:08:48 AM 1099 Views
They most certainly do. - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM 1221 Views
This sounds awful to me. - 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM 1127 Views
Re: This sounds awful to me. - 14/01/2011 02:47:36 AM 1138 Views
Yikes. - 14/01/2011 11:13:39 PM 1114 Views

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